It looks nice! How hard was the RAM overclocking for you?
I meant that there's probably not too many people still buying the new drives as mSATA. They are still Samsung's newest drive at this level, so the performance is probably quite good.
Yeah, I was looking at upgrading an old laptop, and the prices shown on PCPartPicker are all pretty high because they are the old, probably discontinued drives. Probably not many people still using these, but it would be nice to have the new ones on for price-tracking.
Something went wrong, the product page seems to be for a 2x16 GB (PN HX432C18FWK2/32) set, but the retail links are instead for the 1x8GB (HX432C18FW2/8) set. I think the original poster confused the configurations, since they link the spec sheet and product page for the 2x16 set, use the 1x8 product number, and use the 1x8 amazon link. Not a major issue, just surprised by a price alert I had set up :)
You can sort of see it in the fifth picture. There is about another 12-15mm of space between the fans and the GPU. I've seen some people use thick fans (25mm) instead of the thin ones and then the GPU basically rests on the fan. I can take more pictures if that would help.
Haha, no I had it from the previous build I referred to.
That's correct. I was focusing on getting that in. The i5 should be fine for gaming. I think the bigger sacrifice may have been giving up on 16 GB of RAM, but for gaming, they should be fine. That's why I purposely used one stick, so they could easily upgrade this in the future. There's also an argument for a lower performance SSD combined with a HDD, which would end up being the same price as this pretty good NVMe drive. That basically comes down to how much storage they need though.
I guess I was also thinking about the potential of adding other accessories using the PCI bus. For example, they would probably end up with at least an NVMe drive. That said, I think it is a bit of a moot point, since for gaming only, the 7700k and a single graphics card is probably the best choice. The money you save could be put into upgrading sooner or something like that.
I will try to answer your questions one by one:
Running graphics cards in SLI has questionable benefits, but if you have the money and want to do it, you can still go for it. This depends a lot on what monitor you plan on using, and whether the resolutions you play at require the added power of SLI.
If you decide you want to SLI for sure, the 6850k is the better choice. That said, purely for gaming the 7700k will actually be faster in most games because it has a higher per-core speed and a newer architecture.
Chipset wise, if you go for the 6850k, you have no choice but to go for a x99 motherboard. With the 7700k, you have more choices, but at this price point you should really go for a high end Z270 motherboard. If you use PCPartPicker, it will show you what is and is not compatible.
The H440 is a quality case, and will fit an SLI setup. In the future, you can find this by going to the part page of the case you are looking at, selecting "See all completed builds" near the bottom, and then sorting the resulting list by "SLI/Crossfire", which will show you previous builds. Again, PCPartPicker will give you a warning if something will not fit in the case you have chosen.
Finally, the highest refresh rates on current 4K monitors are only 60Hz, so you will not see any benefit from an average FPS much higher than 60 or so.
Best of luck with your build! If you have any questions, please ask away.
Your description is a bit vague, but I still tried to make a build that fit:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
That said, I have some important questions: You mention being in Canada, but your budget is in USD, not CAD? PCPartPicker supports Canadian vendors and pricing if that is where you will end up buying this. The second question is what types of games you mostly play. This is important to the monitor selection. If you play mostly FPS and fast-twitch style games, it would probably be worth it to get a monitor with G-Sync, but it would have to be 24" and 1080p at this price point. If you play a larger variety of games, this monitor makes sense since it provides a lot of screen for the money.
If you have any questions, please ask.
Glad to help, pcpartpicker can be a great resource for this. If you take a peak through the build guides the staff publishes, they have recommended part list, and then also a video showing them building that part list. Take a look at this for example. Obviously other websites can also be a great help. There are countless Youtube tutorials, and Reddit has a variety of communities.
You certainly could upgrade the computer you have to play Civ 6. A new graphics card is the most obvious upgrade. Unfortunately, you need a half-height card or a riser. This leaves us with this card, but that hasn't been released yet, and looks to be around $150. Upgrading the processor is the next step. This should be easier, but you'll have to be okay with buying used. You could pick up a Core Core 2 Quad Q9650 for pretty cheap, and that should be a drop in replacement. These run for about $70 on ebay. The guide for the Dell 755 is accessible here and is a useful resource for checking compatibility. Note that you have the desktop configuration (DT) based on the Amazon listing.
With all that said, you would be upgrading a computer from almost ten years ago, maybe a questionable choice. I would personally go for building or buying a newer computer. Maybe you can use the Dell for office tasks elsewhere or resell it. Seeing as this is pcpartpicker, I'd encourage you to try and build your own computer. It is surprisingly easy, and there is a huge network of people out there eager to help. The obvious benefit is that you should be able to get more for your money. I would look at logicalincrements as a good starting point.
I agree, there will be a difference with a higher refresh rate monitor, but I prefer multiple identical monitors (which works better for Nvidia Surround or AMD Eyefinity). This is of course a matter of personal preference. Color matching will also depend on whether you just want the cheapest components (i.e. cheapest 1070, cheapest motherboard, etc) or want a prettier build for more money. Of course you can always just get a case without a window and make the whole thing a moot point.
So some more information could be helpful. For example, do you need the price of an operating system included? Also, do you have any preference about whether you want a mechanical keyboard or not. Do you need a WiFi adapter? You said you wanted two monitors, but you could also go with one 4k monitor. This would have the trade-off of requiring a more expensive graphics card.
I haven't done much video editing, so I can't recommend any software there. For photo editing, you'll want to use Lightroom. It is pretty much the only game in town, but is also really good. I use it myself, and found it easy to learn.
With that said, I made a sample build for you. I included lots of storage, a strong processor, and a relatively strong graphics card. These should all help with your video editing, and can't hurt gaming. You'll want IPS monitors for photo and video editing, so I included that as a criteria.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
This would handle max everything settings for a few years at 1080p. To be honest, looking at some benchmarks and reviews, you should be fine moving down to a GTX 1060 or even a RX 480 and saving the money, assuming you plan to stick with that monitor in the future. If you see yourself moving to a higher resolution monitor in the future, the 1070 is a good choice. The $150 or 200 you save by moving down is definitely not a trivial amount, so I'd examine that closely.
You could do something like the following. You didn't give any mention to whether or not you needed an OS or peripherals, so I didn't include those. Either way, this certainly provides a start point.
Also not sure why you asked basically the same question twice, but this pretty much agrees with MisterJ's build. You're pretty much given the choice of going for a 1070 and going budget everything else, or going with a 1060 and having that money to use for other things.
Yeah, pretty much just a why not have at this price point type of thing. You don't really sacrifice much or anything to get it. I guess you could go for an AIO water cooler if you saved money on the SSD, but that also has dubious benefits if you don't overclock. Really just a matter of choice.
Yeah, this is pretty much what I came up with too. I moved to a slightly cheaper cooler and case and fit in an M.2 SSD. You'll definitely want a GSYNC monitor like myself and rosswalker have. Other than that, you can't quite fit in a X99 platform build with this budget, so the i&-6700K makes the most sense.
Depending on how much rendering you do and whether or not you want to do it professionally, an $800 budget isn't really enough. What you need to render a lot is a CPU with many cores (expensive Xeon) and/or a very powerful GPU (expensive Quadro). With that noted, some other comments:
The graphics tablet connects with USB, so it will work with basically any computer you buy or build.
Second, PCPartPicker currently doesn't support Microcenter as one of the merchants you can select. As such, I can give you an example build, but you'd have to go for similar alternatives if you can't find something at Microcenter.
With that said, here is a sample build you could use:
You could go for something like this:
If you didn't need the OS, you could add in more storage. I also don't know how your workflow is, so I wasn't sure if you'd want a card reader or not, but those are pretty cheap. Otherwise, as you can see, the focus for Adobe software (which I assume you are using) is on having a lot of memory and a solid CPU.
Random side-note: this is one of the very few PSUs to have gotten a perfect 10 from jonnyguru.
Hmm, by moving down to a B150 series motherboard, you can save quite a bit of money, which can then go into the power supply (which is now twice as expensive, but fully modular and slightly better reviewed). Also, by moving to mATX you manage to save money on the case, which can then be put into a better wifi dongle and slightly better CPU. Obviously an interesting trade-off to make, but something which would probably also match the OP's use case pretty well.
Fair points, I went for the motherboard for the features and option of using an unlocked CPU in the future. The power supply is fine. I agree with you on the WAN, but wanted to stay in budget. You could definitely spend like 10-20 dollars more and get something much better.
What about this system:
Also, whoever downvoted, I'd love to hear your reasoning...
You could go for something like this, but it would be really helpful if you gave some more information, specifically whether or not you wanted the operating system included. Other things like whether or not you need a CD drive could also be helpful.
What about this? It cuts some corners on the monitor and case, but otherwise should be fine.
You can use Nvidia Surround, but it will scale down to your lowest resolution monitor.
Yeah, case choice is more or less just what look what you prefer. It also looks like my build and MisterJ's build pretty much are a choice between SLI'd graphics cards or a single graphics card, again sort of a personal preference. You can't really go wrong either way.
How about this. It is a touch over budget. I went for a blackout color scheme, but this is really just personal preference, it would really help if you said what you wanted.
You definitely want a SSD if you can fit it in your budget. The hard drive you choose is relatively slow (5900 RPM), they also make 7200 RPM hard drives if you want to stick with that. Something like this.
It is also more readable if you paste your parts list formatted, just click on the links next to the word "markup" on the system build page.
I personally have a Hyper 212 cooling an i7-5820k and it does fine. Also, you might be able to find an open box motherboard at your local MicroCenter, which can be around $50 cheaper, if you want to consider that.
Some background: I'm a college student studying engineering, which places similar loads on a computer (we do a lot of 3D design and some rendering).
I agree with what xPat said, especially with regards to moving up to an x99 build. A lot of the rendering software still can't use a GPU, so how quickly stuff renders is entirely dependent on CPU power. This is one of those cases where more cores is better, which gives x99 setups an advantage. For the rendering engines that do support it, using a powerful GPU is much faster. I'm not really sure how professional (workstation) cards compare to consumer cards in this aspect. If anything, the workstation GPUs will have better driver support with professional software, but they often cost much more. Like xPat mentioned, you can sometimes get really good deals on previous generation professional hardware, since they have pretty quick refresh cycles, so they may be something to look into. Something like they did here would be excellent at rendering, at the cost of using somewhat obscure parts and having higher power consumption.
Just as an example, keeping it with the same parts except to move to the better platform, the build could look something like 2nd Attempt
Also, just to throw out there as a thought, I built my own computer in a similarly sized case, something that I now regret. My college is far enough from home that I have to fly back and forth, which means I can't bring my computer home for the summer since it can't fit in carry-on. In hindsight, I should have built mITX setup that I could fit in a suitcase and bring with me wherever I go.
Just want to mention that this is still a problem. I was just looking at slim coolers with that motherboard, and the R25 is still shown as not compatible.
Ah, sorry that includes a mail in rebate, I seem to have missed that. This whole pricing thing is a little dumb. I like your build though. A little much spent on non-core components for me, but nice choices.
Just a heads up, looks like the power supply jumped in price, bring you to just over $2000.
That could well be it, since it only uses in store pricing if you are close enough to a store. For example, your build shows the SSD and CPU with in store pricing for me, but I assume probably doesn't for you. Still no idea on the legality of this, we'll see if Manirelli chimes in, otherwise I'll message him.
Pretty high at rest (like 35), up to about 60ish I think. I haven't felt the need for any overclock yet. I'm also away from the computer for the near future, but I'll update the build and reply to this comment with actual temperatures when I physically return to it. In case you are planning on using it for a build, it works fine, and others say it worked fine for them too, even with some overclocking.
Thanks, I just had a discussion with someone on the build about this, it looks like the problem stems from your settings not allowing all merchants, or including tax at some merchants. For example, my build uses Microcenter pricing to save on the CPU and bring the price to about $1985. I believe this is legal, but any clarification would be great.
Sounds good, thanks for the concern.
Not sure where you are seeing that? The total shows as $1985.34 for me. Are you sure you have all your merchants enabled? That could be the problem since this takes advantage of a Microcenter deal (I think that's legal...)
Looks good, I like the dedication to the color scheme (the cooler and motherboard would look really good together). Just one thing, you mention that the power supply would be fine for upgrading to two cards. I wouldn't be so sure about that, check the wattage estimates, another card puts you right at the limit of the power supply. You have a lot of money left to play around with so maybe you could upgrade to a power supply with higher wattage? I know the EVGA G2 series is otherwise really good.
I tried to go for something a little different and manage a 980Ti SLI setup. I'm really curious to see what people think of the compromises that had to be made to fit that into the budget, and look forward to comments :)
They turn off automatically when the computer is on (the lights are on when the computer is plugged in but off). I can double check this if you're really curious, but I'm not currently with my computer so it could be a while.
Thanks. My college is really small, so we each get our own large drafting table in the back of our classroom to work at.
I guess so, I'll have to mention that to my friend, who did that (i5 + 970). He did build it in an NCASE, so I guess he gets some creativity points there.
I second MusicBee. After extensive searching I decided on it. Now after around 3 years of using it ,I'm still impressed by it. It also has a dedicated developer, and extensive customization.
Like the other commenter mentioned, a ~650W would work fine.
Yeah, the RAT mice certainly aren't for everyone. Razer is a nice brand though, I've pretty much only heard good things about them. That CPU shouldn't have any bottlenecking issues with either setup. Either card should run games fine by itself on the monitor you have now, so for games where SLI is not supported, you'll have to do that, but it shouldn't be an issue for a while. SLI also looks more impressive, IMHO. If you plan on waiting a while to get another monitor, you could juts get one better card now, and then wait until prices come down or the used market opens up to buy a second one to go with your new monitor. Another commenter mentioned your power supply being a bit underpowered, and I tend to agree. A power supply can last multiple builds, so you can get a bit of a better one.
It should be pretty easy, you basically connect the bridge while building the computer, and then enable SLI in the drivers. You are correct that performance doesn't quite scale linearly. If you want to go multimonitor, SLI could be better. If you stick to one, a single card is probably better. Also, for mouse recommendations, I've always had good luck with Logitech things, but I haven't tried their gaming products myself. I also have two friends with R.A.T mice who both really like them, but the looks are polarizing and I've read about some reliability problems on the internet, so who knows.
Here is a link that compares benchmarks for both: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_980_SLI/20.html In your case, a single 980 would probably be fine. That way you could upgrade it later. SLI'd 970s would get you a bit more performance, but at a higher cost and more complexity. They do however have the best performance per dollar. Any reason you want that particular 980? The ASUS reference design is $60 cheaper.