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Comment reply on Forum Topic "Should I wait for Ryzen 3rd gen"

  • 20 days ago
  • 2 points

Depends on your need. If I were building today, I'd ask myself, "Why wait on 3rd gen or get 2nd gen, when I can get a 6 core, 12 thread Ryzen 5 1600 for $79.99?"

But my use case may be different than yours, and I have a MicroCenter right down the road, so the $79.99 + $30 off mobo combo, plus an open-box PowerColor RX 580 8GB for $150 means I'd have the bones of a solid PC, even for 1080p gaming, for <$300.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "AMD or Intel?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

PC for gaming - if only gaming, and your budget, 9700K is the obvious choice, paired with 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM. If you do any multitasking, the 2700X can be a decent alternative, but at 1080p and 60fps, you don't need even an RTX 2060. For that, an AMD Ryzen 2600X or 2700 paired with a GeForce 1660ti would be sufficient and would save you hundreds of dollars.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "ELI5: how do you advise we pick a cpu?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

They aren't. The DS3H is not great for o/c, and is micro ATX, which limits options. The 860 Evo was good at the time, but price-wise there are just as good options for less. The case is nice, but not stellar, and not available. The PSU is mediocre. And the PCIe Wifi adapter could be replaced by a USB solution. Further, the monitor is nothing special.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "is it worth upgrading from 2200g to 1700?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

So the question is whether multithreading and more cores will make a difference, and for rendering videos and CPU intensive games, probably.

For reference: Cinebench 20 scores by processor/RAM

2200G stock gets 350 single-core Cinebench 20. 1700 slight o/c gets 310s. 1700 much more overclockable, can reach 350 single core with big o/c, but your board may not allow it with 8 cores / 16 threads due to the VRMs (heating issues).

But consider the 1600 as well. The SC performance is equal to or better than 1700, and it's very overclockable, more likely to o/c on your mobo, and it's $79.99 at MicroCenter.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "ELI5: how do you advise we pick a cpu?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

Bottom line: for office / home productivity like OneNote, Chrome, YouTube, Plex, Spotify - 2200G is plenty.

2200G with 8 to 16GB of DDR4-3000 or 3200 RAM will serve you well. I'm running the following currently, and have no issues doing what I need to do. My kids stream Frozen and Harry Potter from Plex while I do work-related stuff with music playing, and I have no issues.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor Purchased For $79.99
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard Purchased For $55.96
Memory G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory Purchased For $107.96
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $72.99
Case Thermaltake - Versa H18 Tempered Glass MicroATX Mini Tower Case Purchased For $49.99
Power Supply EVGA - BR 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply Purchased For $39.99
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit Purchased For $99.99
Wireless Network Adapter Asus - PCE-AC55BT B1 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter Purchased For $31.99
Case Fan Corsair - LL120RGB LED (Three Fans With Lighting Node PRO) 43.25 CFM 120mm Fans Purchased For $97.50
Monitor Acer - SB220Q bi 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor Purchased For $99.99
Keyboard Microsoft - Desktop 900 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse Purchased For $27.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $764.34
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-06 15:28 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Build - Solid Build or Weak?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 2 points

For your use case, it's probably a little bit of overkill. But if your goal is mid- to high-end then I think this is fine. You could save a little $$ on the RAM since Intel doesn't scale well with higher RAM speeds, but... just as a thought exercise:

You're not going to have much issue gaming at 1080p 144Hz - but if you do, it'll probably be a GPU bottleneck. The single-core benefit of the 8700K is lost in that case, and you may be better served saving a LOT of money and going with the Ryzen 2600X ($199), 2700X ($279), or 1700X ($150). With any of those, you pair any number of Wifi enabled mobos: ASRock Master SLI/AC ($154) or Aorus Gaming 5 Wifi ($175) or the excellent Taichi ($199). This route would save you $200-$300, which you can pocket or then use to get a much better GPU (RTX 2070, for example). Plus, when Zen2 / Ryzen 3000 series comes out, if you feel the desire to upgrade, you are free to do so. The 1151 socket is bye-bye.

Personally, if it were me, I'd go with the 1700X or 2600X and Aorus Gaming 5 ($325-375 total compared to your CPU+fan+mobo at $590), and use the $200+ saved to upgrade the 1660ti to a 2070, which gains you 25+% on ultra/crazy/high settings at 1080p compared to 1660ti.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Checking before I buy - can 1700x go 3.7 on a 212 Evo? Higher possible?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

Well, if you want to overclock, GAMMAXX was actually used for the 2200G overclocking guide, and was excellent. If you're concerned about aesthetics (and it sounds like you're more concerned with Deep Cool's logo, of all things) more than performance, then I don't know what to say.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First build (gaming PC)- ryzen 5 2400G?"

  • 1 month ago
  • 1 point

So I'm not sure the 2200G would be much worse than the 2400G. Go with a B450 board, I'd recommend something mid-tier and ATX. If you get the 2200G, you can repurpose it for an HTPC later and upgrade to Zen2 without feeling as bad.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Best gaming CPU/GPU combo? Any brands"

  • 1 month ago
  • 3 points

"highest settings for at least the next few years to come"

Highest settings I assume implies 1440p 144Hz. Crossfire/SLI won't gain you much.

You'll want an Intel i7-9700K or i9-9900K. I recommend the 9900K because future games will likely heavily utilize the extra threads, and the 9700K is limited to 8C/8T. The 9900K will get you 8C/16T, with a boost freq of 5GHz. Combined with optimizations Intel has in the gaming arena, there's not much from AMD that will get you to the performance of the 9900K at this time. The key thing is that you said "next few years to come" and undoubtedly future games will find a way to use more threads and cores than what you might get out of a 4C/8T or 6C/6T or 8C/8T processor.

For a GPU, I don't think there's any question that the 2080 Ti is the best GPU you can get. With the Turing architecture and ray-tracing, along with its pure grunt, you're going to be able to handle stuff easily in the future. Again, if you want something that will play AAA titles at the highest settings for years to come, you need the best right now to make it last as long as possible.

Granted... the combo might run you $1500. But it's the most future-proof thing you can do.

Now, if you're looking for 1080p 144Hz or 1440p 75Hz, we will have different recommendations obviously. But without a budget, target resolution/refresh, or list of types of games, it's hard to make a more budget-conscious recommendation.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will 3rd gen ryzen utperform intel?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I was under the impression IF currently runs at memory clock speed, but for Zen2 they had uncoupled it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will 3rd gen ryzen utperform intel?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

It is a physical issue that will always be present it is the nature of the design the farther away something is the longer it takes to communicate with it.

That doesn't mean though that it is a bad thing. Look back at when Ryzen launched and without all the AMD fixes to the data fabric it had a clear and distinct lead in the area of frame rate delivery quality which it lost when optimized.

And what AMD's move tells me is that while a separate northbridge is still far too slow, they've found a way with IF to not have a major performance issue despite taking (most importantly) the memory controller further away from the compute core. Reading a bit more, maybe they made this possible by unlinking their IF speed from the memory speed. However, while it might not be a bottleneck at production speeds, it makes me wonder if it will become a bottleneck for those wanting to overclock? Also, running IF faster makes me wonder about the power consumption; it seems like IF is a greedy component of the current Ryzen lines.

Debatably because to make use of it the programs being run have to make use of the wider FP which gaming as the poster was questioning isn't very adaptive or heavily biased around currently.

Excellent point, I'm not sure if it'll help AMD make gains in the AVX (512) realm or the implications.

They have already hinted at such saying there will only be minimal gains for the next few generations on later 7nm+/7nm++ etc.

I think their gains after this will not just be power consumption, however.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will 3rd gen ryzen utperform intel?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Even if they manage a decent per core gain (Which is separate from IPC as current Ryzen models have an IPC advantage they are unable to benefit from in most programs) they are moving to a separated core and I/O and memory controller package design.

This, I think, is the key. If they can somehow overcome the latency that has to result from the physical distance between the cores and I/O (memory controller, PCIe, IF ports) with Infinity Fabric optimizations, they might pull this off. It may also make their new chips even more dependent on RAM frequency (if IF will still scale with RAM frequency).

I also read that the floating point width will be widened which would help gain on Intel a little.

One big benefit to the separate CCX and I/O die is that they can now re-use the CCX and upgrade the I/O die on future chips. There also may be some benefit (or lack of drawback) to having a memory controller and PCIe lanes on 14nm die, as IIRC they don't scale as well with die shrinks, specifically memory. That would make it cheaper for sure -- if you don't need 10nm or 7nm process to gain or maintain with the memory controller and PCIe lanes, then it doesn't make sense to waste precious time and energy placing them on the same die as the CPU -- if you can keep latency between the separate dies down.

That means even better gains on a performance per $ basis, reduced manufacturing costs, etc.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 1600 such a low price currently worth it with the 3000 series coming out?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

It's a great deal for the 1600. It'll play today's games well at high settings unless you're expecting 144Hz. I'd expect the Ryzen 2000 series to drop in price when 3000 series is released, though not as steeply as the 1600. You could make an argument to buy now, but you could also make the argument to wait and see how things pan out for 3000 series benchmarks and 2000 series prices. There's a possibility 2000 series will drop in price, or even the 1700X for instance, when 3000 series comes out. There's also the possibility that the 3000 series blows the 1000 and 2000 series out of the water, in which case $199 for a Ryzen 5 3000 series would be a reasonable consideration.

If you want to build now, get the 1600. If you can wait 6 months, do so and see how the release and old gen prices go.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3000"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

IMO just get a combo from MicroCenter. The Ryzen 5 1600 is $79.99 and you still get $30 off the mobo. Just get the combo now so you can stop trying to game on a laptop, and upgrade the CPU later (sell the 1600 once you get the Zen 2 Ryzen).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

That's the first thing I noticed about the AsRock board you linked to. Makes me a little jealous. :(

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

For me, it wasn't about what I could afford. It was about the challenge of spending the least amount of money for the best computer that could accomplish all of what I needed and 95% of what I wanted. There is some fun in really trying to investigate, well, do I really need overclocking ability? Do I really need an M.2 NVMe drive or will SATA SSD do the trick? Is 4 cores / 4 threads enough, or should I go for 4C/8T? For me, that's the fun part! And because I'm not budget constrained anyway, because I got just what I needed, if the needs change, I get to have the fun of continuing to investigate, shop, and evaluate all over again on a frequent basis.

But... I'm weird and I know many people don't have that luxury or desire!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

The Q300L is a solid case. It was the other one I was considering besides mine. It just turned out that I got a better deal on the Thermaltake.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Those are all fair points - definitely worth considering the Wifi card space issues. While one could get a USB Wifi adapter to offset that downside, it's still a very real consideration.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I have the DS3H, 2200G, 8GB DDR3200 RAM, SATA SSD. I was having some issues, as I actually run a Plex Media Server, Excel, Photoshop, and Chrome, with Youtube usually playing music while I work and wife streaming from Plex. After upgrading my BIOS to the latest version, all of my multi-tasking issues I initially had went away (the BIOS version was almost a year old). So I think for his use case he should be ok.

What upgradability does the B450 Pro4 offer that the DS3H doesn't?

As for the RAM, if it's sold as 2933 or 3000 or 3200 MHz, then it will run at that speed with XMP (DS3H and Pro4 both state they support it); if it doesn't run at the advertised speed, you RMA it. If another stick still doesn't run at that speed, you RMA the board. I have a 3200 MHz kit on the DS3H that runs at 3200 MHz straight away. If it didn't, I'd have RMA'd it.

A real lowest-cost build would have an A3xx series chipset, 8GB 2666 RAM, 2200G without dGPU, and whatever decent 450W PSU is on sale.

There are a lot of shades of gray on what is worth it and what isn't - so certainly if he sees a future need for more expansion slots, drive bays, etc, it may be worth an ATX case.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I think it's great, it's basically the same as my current computer. There's a good upgrade path for CPU. Plenty of wattage on the PSU to support a moderate GPU upgrade later if you ever need it.

I'll admit I have no clue about the RGB strip you added, whether it's compatible. I also saw the CoolerMaster case you have in your list in person and it does not have a PSU shroud, it has more difficult cable management (no slot for CPU pin on top or the USB/sound cables on bottom), very tight space behind the mobo for cable routing, and the passive ventilation isn't as good as the one in my list, so you may need more aggressive active ventilation depending on your workload. If you're getting it to save a few bucks, I just don't think it's worth it.

And with the Wifi card - if you don't need bluetooth, find another card that just has Wifi, will probably be a little cheaper. Don't forget an SD card reader if you're doing photography.

Edit: Regarding fans, check the other parts list - the be quiet! line is really solid. I'd just grab 1 extra one. The PSU will have its own. The CoolerMaster and ThermalTake come with a rear fan. Adding a single intake fan for the ThermalTake I have in my parts list isn't necessary IMO because it has a wide open front grill. The CoolerMaster has somewhat less intake area, so it probably needs just one intake fan up front.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Out of curiosity, any reason you're opting for Team Vulcan RAM over G.skill which is cheaper, or a more expensive motherboard?

Also, OP, if you're considering the Ryzen 5 2600 please do consider Microcenter if it's near you - the 2600 + a DS3H mobo = $199, which is substantial savings over buying online.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I was going to mention getting a smaller and cheaper SSD - my build as the 860 which is what I based that list off.

Do you have any other storage? I don't take a ton of pictures, but I'm already at almost 1TB just in pics alone. Not a problem to expand later - the DS3H has 4 SATA plugs.

Personally I think you'll be happy with it, and the nice thing is - when Ryzen 3000 series come out on Zen 2, you can always bump up the CPU easily, and the 2200G will likely still retain some resale value because of the solid 4 core performance and integrated graphics, or you could repurpose it to a home theater PC or SFF PC.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 or 5?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

AMD owns the budget market for CPU and GPU.

I think a Ryzen 5 2600 paired with an RX 570 would be just fine. The Ryzen 3 2200G probably would be fine paired with the RX 570 for those games too. I recommend a B450 chipset motherboard.

If you have a Microcenter near you, they have open-box motherboards and good CPU+mobo deals for the 2600 (4 core 8 thread). The 2200G there is only $79 if you go the 4 core 4 thread route. RAM and GPU often better online IMO. Check the build below for an example system that might work well for you. If you already have Windows and a monitor/keyboard/mouse and are going to hard-wire Ethernet, it's close to a $500 build that should do well for you, though upgrading to the Ryzen 2600 might be a very solid upgrade if you do much Photoshopping/multitasking. Also, if you store a lot of pictures, toss in a 3-6TB spinning disk.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 2200G 3.5 GHz Quad-Core Processor $91.99 @ Walmart
Motherboard Gigabyte - B450M DS3H Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $78.88 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $79.99 @ Newegg
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $77.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $129.99 @ Newegg Business
Case Thermaltake - Versa H18 Tempered Glass MicroATX Mini Tower Case $47.20 @ Newegg
Power Supply SeaSonic - 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply $34.99 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $99.39 @ OutletPC
Wireless Network Adapter Asus - PCE-AC55BT B1 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $33.79 @ Amazon
Monitor Acer - KG221Q 21.5" 1920x1080 75 Hz Monitor $101.68 @ Amazon
Keyboard Microsoft - Desktop 900 Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Optical Mouse $33.76 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $874.55
Mail-in rebates -$65.00
Total $809.55
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-06 11:15 EST-0500

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which cpu 200ge or 2200g"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

I'd get the 2200G, only because you could repurpose it for a separate office PC or home theater PC at some point, or resell it for a decent amount.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "X-Plane CPU performance need help"

  • 2 months ago
  • 0 points

X-Plane favors single-core performance, though it does use multiple cores for other minor tasks. However the general consensus is that fast single-core performance is key. How much you want to spend is critical. Also, the graphics card, even with a top end processor, seems to be a limit for some on the X-plane and Steam forums. So consider an upgrade to the 1070/1080 or 2060/2070 as well. I would also, if "My Custom Build" is your current rig, upgrade your RAM to 3000MHz 16GB.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Please Help to Reduce Cost of Current $3000+ Build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I think you're too focused on excesses, when those excesses won't have any effect on gaming.

The biggest instance of that is the storage. For gaming you don't need a 1TB M2.2280 NVMe drive, let alone two of them. Get a 500-512GB NVMe (970 EVO or WD Black NVMe) and a 3TB 7200RPM spinning disk from a good company. That should save at least $299 and you'll get more storage overall with no change to gaming performance.

You do not need 32GB RAM for 1440p/144Hz gaming. But if you really want 32GB, get 2 x 16GB rather than 4 x 8GB, will likely be cheaper. If you drop to 16GB it will NOT be an issue for gaming and will save another $215.

You don't need a $315 motherboard. Could get an MSI Z370 Gaming Plus for ~$200 and a separate solid Wifi+BT adapter for <$50. There's another $65.

Finally, RTX 2070 are generally cheaper than 1080 and will outperform them too.

I have no qualms with you including a stellar power supply, as that is the most important part of a computer.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Bottleneck issues? i7 Build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Link

The above link is actually testing memory speeds with 3000 16-18-18-39 and 3200 16-18-18-38 RAM on a Core i7-8700K so almost exactly the setup you're looking at.

In some cases the 3000 RAM is faster, in most cases the 3200 RAM is faster (almost across the board <1% and many cases <0.5%), and the difference as a whole is 1% or less, smaller differences the higher the resolution of gaming. From a user perspective they are for all intents and purposes going to have the same performance. Yet the 3200 RAM costs 20% more.

Generally speaking on Intel once you get to 2667 and especially 3000+ the gains from faster RAM speeds are quite marginal.

Comment reply on managerman's Completed Build: TT Core P7 "Bucket List 2.0" Build - Carbon Fiber Tubes and Fittings Overload Corvette Tribute!

  • 2 months ago
  • 3 points

I've heard that the single core performance is key for Candy Crush so I worry how the Threadripper will handle it. Plus you only have 2 GPUs - can you run it at 240Hz and 8K?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Sapphire RX570"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Great information. Thank you. I realize a lot of this info was available on the product pages, but I didn't connect the dots. Seems well worth it to pay a little more for a lot better package.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Sapphire RX570"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Gotcha - thanks!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Radeon VII vs RTX 2080"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I like the idea of the Radeon VII more than the actual card. If you can find one.

But I think most general reviews are consistent that the RTX 2080 is the better card for gaming (cf UserBenchmark, PCMag, RockPaperShotgun, GamersNexus) and in many cases the Radeon VII was on par with a 1080ti. Plus it uses 300W TDP and might be a touch louder. It's a great performer, no doubt, and just a smidge slower than the RTX 2080, but honestly I don't think it's a game-changer at that price.

I'd go with the RTX 2080. Plus you're not going to have any trouble finding it, where the VII is out of stock all the time.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "upgrade from r5 1400"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Just on PCPartPicker:

The 2600 is still $164 on Amazon.com, it plus the cheapest DDR4-3000 2x8GB RAM kit ($89) is $253.

The 2600X is $199, plus the RAM, is $288.

Still much better deal to buy them separately on here. Plus you'll get the 2600X + RAM for the same price as the 2600 + RAm deal you mentioned.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "upgrade from r5 1400"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

I edited my comment below. That's a bad deal.

2600 is $160 at MicroCenter, and 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4-3000 RAM is $90 on here. A 2600X is $190 at MicroCenter. So for $10 less than that deal, he can have the RAM and the 2600X.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "upgrade from r5 1400"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

For me, I'd go with the 2600 and 16GB RAM. The rationale being that the GTX 970 is enough GPU that you're probably going to see decent gaming gains with doubling the RAM and bolstering the CPU. The 2600 and 2600X aren't too far apart. If he wants to OC the 2600 to 2600X levels later he can, by replacing the stock cooler.

Also consider an SSD!

Edit: It looks like the 2600 + RAM is $290? A 2600 at MicroCenter is $159.99 (2600X is $189.99), and 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM kit on here is $89.99. Do NOT get the bundle, that's a pretty bad deal. You can get a 2600X + 16GB RAM and come in less than $290.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "8700k vs 9700k for a brand new PC"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

6 cores alone should be sufficient for most games (and indeed the 8700k vs 9700k are almost spot on each other for gaming in most games - except World of Tanks and Civ 6 for instance). And you would think since the 8700k hyperthreads to 12 threads it would beat the 9700k in office/productivity tasks, but that's not the case. At worst, the 9700k is same as 8700k in multicore performance (per userbenchmark) but when you look at Blender, GIMP, LuxMark, Cinebench, 7-Zip, Handbrake - the 9700k comes out ahead. (userbenchmark.com and anandtech.com)

You'd be paying about 15% more with the 9700k for the same multithread performance, better gaming, and better productivity. However, given that gaming would be GPU limited and would see minimal difference between the two in many games, it's a tough call.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Budget Gaming Build"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

And memory, right?

What monitor? If you have a 1080p 60Hz monitor it will create a different recommendation than if you have a 1440p 144Hz monitor.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu photoshop"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

... what RAM and PSU and form factor do you have?

If you have DDR3 RAM that will change the motherboard and CPU recommendations quite a bit. And your PSU may limit video card recommendations.

tl;dr We need more info

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Does this sound right"

  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

It is technically correct, but also overkill in every situation for consumer applications.

For professional applications, editing/rendering can see a benefit with higher core processors, and for servers and multiple VMs, yes, a heavily cored/threaded CPU will be better.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Upgrade - 2400G or 2600 + RX570?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Just perusing the "leaked" lineup, it appears there will be an APU, though not sure how much stock to put into the specifications below:

  • Ryzen 5 3600: 8C/16T, 3.6GHz/4.4GHz, 65W, $178
  • Ryzen 5 3600G: 8C/16T, 3.2GHz/4.0GHz, 95W, 20 Navi CUs, $199

This is versus the current:

  • Ryzen 5 2600: 6C/12T, 3.4GHz/3.9GHz, 65W
  • Ryzen 5 2400G: 4C/8T, 3.6GHz/3.9GHz, 11 Vega CUs, 65W

I think there are some questions raised about whether the rumors are true, since I don't think people using the APU for CPU intensive tasks will appreciate a substantial core clock reduction compared to the 2400G in exchange for more cores, which have diminishing returns - this exchange is particularly silly in a consumer chip. IMO I think a 3600G is more likely to be a 6C/12T 3.6GHz/4.2GHz, 65W part than what was leaked above. A higher boost, more cores, and better graphics on the same TDP as a 2400G would certainly be a nice upgrade.

But if they roll out a Ryzen 3 3200G with 4C/8T and 12 Navi CUs at $99 as leaked, that might be just as tempting (compare to the current 2400G).

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 1200 quad channel ram"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Agree 2933/3000 is the sweet spot for the 2000 series AMDs, especially the APUs.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 1200 quad channel ram"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Going from 2 single-rank DIMMs to 4 single-rank DIMMs will take your processor's memory controller rating down from 2666MHz to 2133MHz.

May be better to sell the 2x4GB in the future and snag 2x8GB to maintain the higher 2666MHz speeds.

Ryzen 3 1200 WikiChip page

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 3 1200 quad channel ram"

  • 2 months ago
  • 0 points

The Ryzen 3 1200G memory controller rates 4 single-rank DIMMs at 2133MHz, while 2 single-rank DIMMs run at 2666MHz. So he would actually see slower memory performance with 4 of same DIMMs than with 2.

I'd recommend he sell the 2x4GB and buy a 2x8GB when he upgrades.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Will R7 1700 bottleneck RTX 2080?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

With a good free sync monitor it shouldn't tear. Your setup is a beast. Don't fret the exact FPS, just have fun.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Best Budget CPU ever?"

  • 2 months ago
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Your limitation seems like it might be the 4 sticks. The 1700X officially supports 4 SR sticks at 2133. So you are overclocking already quite a bit, and that explains why you're having trouble at 3200. You're right, it's a gray area, but with the base 2200G rate of 2933, and you hitting 2933 on a 2133 rated setup, and the anecdotal experience all over, it's clear that the memory controller is not a primary limiting factor, and 3200 is easily achievable and stable.

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  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

You have a quality Freesync display. It won't matter much if you hit 240 hz. With any of the Ryzen 5 / 7, with that graphics card, you are going to have excellent performance.

If your goal is not to have smooth, stutter-free gameplay, but instead to always hit 240 fps, you're going to be out of a lot of money whether you go Intel or AMD.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Best Budget CPU ever?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

That is the specification from AMD. If you buy RAM that is rated at 3200MHz and your motherboard supports it, it will work. If the motherboard doesn't support it, it still might work. If it's 3000 and you want to overclock it to 3200, you might be able to.

However, the 3000MHz speed is the sweet spot of cost efficiency. I just happened to find a 3200 kit for the same price as 3000. And my motherboard supports it, so it works.

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  • 2 months ago
  • 2 points

[corrected - AMD is just listing a specification].

Anandtech did a huge article on the APUs running 2200G and 2400G with memory up to 3466MHz and saw linear performance benefits the faster you run the RAM. This is most noticeable in gaming since the APU and memory are integrated on Infinity Fabric, and the speeds are all basically intertwined. So faster memory, faster APU. Here's the article tabbed to the gaming section.

To quote their conclusion:

Pairing either of the Ryzen 5 2400G ($169) or Ryzen 3 2200G ($99) up with a set of DDR4-2666 memory and above will yield the best performance, with the sweet spot on the curve in our testing from a pure performance point of view being DDR-3333. From a budget perspective, the magic area is around the DDR4-3000 mark, and we would advise users to look beyond the bargin basement DDR4-2133 and DDR4-2400 kits.

DO NOTE the results however. For almost all games, for instance, a 2400G with 2666 RAM performs better than a 2200G with 3466 RAM. And for CPU-intensive (non-gaming) tasks like Blender, 7-Zip, 3D Movement Algorithm -- the 2400G smokes the 2200G no matter the RAM speed because for CPU dependent tasks, the RAM speed simply doesn't matter as much.

As such if you're sold on the 2200G, definitely push the RAM faster, 3200 will still see decent gains. But if you want the faster specs for the same or a little more money, the 2400G with whatever RAM is still in the budget will be the better buy.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Best Budget CPU ever?"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Excellent - just wanted to make sure you knew!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Recent build, future upgrade plans"

  • 2 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks for the advice! I am not sure I'd call it a "server" per se, though I'm not sure the demand Plex places on a PC with the transcoding it does. It's possible it's quite a burden and I'm underestimating the processing power needed to do two intensive things at once.

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