I'd definitely agree, considering the build looks great anyway with a gold SSD from Team, Noctua Case Fans that perform solid, and that beautiful NH-L9.
Don't want your ears to bleed with stock fans or your PC to heat up inside like a space heater. :)
I love the back-plate. It's definitely modern/minimalist looking which is definitely my preferred style. I also think the layout of your desk is very nice and functional. There's a definite theme, but very understated. I wish I could +1 the build again. :D
You've clearly earned it; it's good to spoil yourself once in a while to have something tangible reminding you always of what you've accomplished!! +1 and best of luck to you for future builds.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked it :)
Thanks for the update! :)
I up-voted another comment on this topic, but before I start I have to mention how much I enjoy this new layout. I appreciated the look on the other site and moving it here just seems right.
That being said, I would really appreciate some sort of new-styled way of viewing builds that use parts that are searched. Previously, you were able to look at other's posts with parts not listen in the sorting options found in the 'Completed Builds' section.
I really do like the other changes and the more modern-looking design and hope it doesn't go away. Cheers PCPP Staff :D
No matter how many PC's you build you'll always miss something! I had no idea the other fan was there on top. :)
I honestly think that the airflow isn't a big deal considering it hasn't been causing issues and isn't something that would likely cause random issues out-of-the-blue. And yes, there is less resistance for the air when the graphics card has a more open-shroud design. I know it's your first build, and it seems like you haven't been in the higher-end custom PC space for very long, but you will be assured to know that XFX has a good standing in their industry for their open-shroud design. Even going back to their Radeon HD 7850's and alike.
Bottom-line: I wouldn't concern yourself with airflow being inhibited when you should be focused on being happy and overall enjoying your experience! :D Cheers
That's unfortunate :( SSD's are a must in my opinion as Hybrid HDD's seem to be too expensive and are quite a hassle compared to even sub-par NAND Flash. Still, when the necessary steps are taken I'd love to see that LAN system on PCPP for everyone to admire :D
Also a shame about that Noctua splitter ;( Thank goodness the fans all come with their own under the assumption that you have other fans from companies not as nice as the good folks over at Noctua. I don't know what that other LAN PC Build would look like as of yet, but I'd definitely recommend Noctua and their CHROMAX lineup of fans/accessories. No promises on the other build, but I can't wait!
I think this is a great purpose-build system that suits your needs very well! I definitely understand how high prices are/have been for graphics cards that you’d be interested in for a system like this.
For the commentor, I don’t quite understand what you mean. Not having assumed prices of the ram, 4 GB is the lowest capacity and therefore lowest price ram they can potentially buy for an LGA1151 socket motherboard. (Some use ddr3 but not CoffeeLake). And they are in fact using a celeron. On a modern platform might I add, is very useful for the future as they can convert this system into anything they need it for. If it stops suiting their needs, they can buy a pentium or i3 Professor, they could buy another 4 GB of ram, they can add a graphics card, etc.
I believe that the submitter Of the build did a very good job, and if I assumed something in your comment that was invalid of me to do so perhaps you can elaborate in further detail.
Thanks in advance and +1 for a nice build! :D
I agree with other commenters in that the placement may need rethinking, as hot air from the Ryzen 5 2600 will be displaced into the case and then the back 120mm fan has the job of taking all the hot air from the case out without resupplying the same amount of cool air flow through the radiator.
If it doesn’t bother you and your temperatures are in check, who’s to say anyone is right? If you like how it looks and it performs okay, then I’d say don’t bother taking things out and changing placement of the internal fans/AIO Radiator.
I’m glad that you were able to be a part of this platform through the help of YouTube and your own intuition :D Best of luck to you!
Oh the lovely GTX 580 :) That brings back memories. I’m pretty young, but I’ve had graphics cards dating back to the GTX 275 and even that performs decent in older titles. You made a good choice going with the 970 for that LAN PC.
Perhaps post it as it’s own build with photos and description? Just a suggestion :D
Fan splitters can be such garbage when it comes to quality. It depends on the manufacturer, but I haven’t had many splitters come my way that weren’t really fragile or already broken physically.
Here’s to many LANs to come!
3M is my best friend, so you never know. If that is what my updated photos look like, then you know what happened ;)
I would like for it to adapt to a proper build, as people (not you) who’ve seen it in person like to criticize the entire thing over a power supply xD No one should care what other people think, but it’s nice to be both girlfriend-approved and general public-approved :D
Thank you for your kind words, and have fun with that mobile rig/VR setup of yours.
That all-black theme (minus minor accents and RGB ran), the photography skills that you possess, the cable management, the...
I have to stop myself at some point, I really love this build and hope that you see a bit more love for it than you already have. Honestly, it's one of the better looking 9900K and RTX 2080 PC Builds.
I can't wait to potentially see even more content from you in the future. :D
I see from the other comments on this post that you're doing well, and I'm happy to hear that!
I love the build, monitor and other peripherals you chose for what sounds like your first custom PC build in a long time.
I wish you the best of luck moving into the future; and I'm sure that you'll be fine considering all the gaming you'll be doing from now on :D
This is such a unique looking Hybrid ITX build! I absolutely love those Noctua fans; the brown gives it such an industrial sort of look that doesn't give the impression of what a lot of people would consider these fans to be: 'ugly'. Their performance is very exceptional, and I'm sure that your component temperatures are in check and will remain to be for a long time.
I know it isn't related to this particular build, but I hope you have fun at those LAN parties with that i7 2600 and GTX 970; honestly that sounds like a phenomenal 1080p gaming PC for on-the-go purposes.
Best luck to you! :D
By the way, the H200/H200I are just such beauties. I think the white version is adorable :)
I hope to potentially see the updated build with the back-plate or, at the very least, a future build with that personal touch that you've added to this one!
I thought about this case for myself, but the only spare graphics cards I have are 2.5 slot or older triple fan models. I'd definitely consider it when I get my hands on another reference model card from either team.
I'm glad you're happy with the build! :D
I absolutely love the cable management!
Genuinely, the Hadron is so tiny and cute, but has absolutely no room for a full-length graphics card, a somewhat-decent cooler, and a decent amount of storage. At that point, you lose space for cables, you gain cable density as you now need power for PCIe and SATA, and it just becomes a nightmare real fast...
I'm going through shock just thinking about the build process for you! Such a clean build, especially with using parts you had lying around along with all those bought fans and of course the beautiful RAM :D
+1 for you sir/ma'am :)
I agree with the cable management, but for this case I'd argue that it's on the better side. It looks like effort was made, but the MATREXX 55 just doesn't have that much room in the back between the side panel to shove the cables in. Some very high end builds in this ATX case have not-so-good cable management. It is an interesting concept (the look of the case) but it just doesn't follow through as it should if that makes sense. :|
At least that's my understanding, as I haven't personally used this case in the past; only through friends and acquaintances. :)
I can see why that might be scary, as I've only spent 400 or so dollars on a flip max. That's just for me, since I usually stick to used builds and try to follow some sort of color scheme. Honestly, I think the fans were a huge selling point and I wish I had found ones similar to those the last time I built a PC for someone else. It adds so much value!
Looking at the pictures, I'd say he's definitely happy with what he received! I know white is a popular color for these sort of ring fans, but perhaps you can investigate buyer's interests somehow and find an even more appealing and easy-to-sell color scheme.
Good luck regardless though, you definitely should keep having good luck when flipping builds like that! :D
Same here :(
I usually name all of mine either what they’re going to be used for or what color they are and what bracket of build it would be under. (Budget, Workstation, Main rig, etc.)
Naming is hard! :o
I couldn’t agree more! Once you get past DDR4 3000 or so it can be difficult to see any tangible improvements. Even in benchmark applications, higher frequency ram may even be a hindrance depending on the voltage of the kit being used, capacity, etc. I’d rather more ram of a lower speed than less ram and a higher frequency.
I think that with a GTX 1080, there’s not much more improvement to be had with any faster frequency ram. (Haven’t looking into specific benchmarks with this exact setup so I could very well be mistaken)
Great build +1 :D
Great balance with your parts! I’m sure the PC’s new owner will enjoy it the way that you intended them to. Flipping can be hard, but I’m happy for you to have had the sale go through so quickly!
Best of luck to you in your future endeavors :D
Oh yeah, those fan’s are amazing on a budget. They look very similar to Thermaltake’s Ring-LED fans and are much cheaper.
What a beautiful build!
I love the drain valves being integrated without soft tubing, yet they look beautiful, match very well and are even perfectly parallel :D
I hope to see more from you in the future! Although, I can’t imagine the cost that both of your builds have taken out of your wallet :)
I know, I was looking into cable extensions since it’s basically the cost of a new PSU anyway. But after looking into it, it’ll be best to replace the thermaltake TR2 time bomb (best put by TheQuackSavior :D)
That’s honestly what I think is making this build so had to look at, even for being so cheap. Anything that I already had in my inventory was priced for deals that I could buy right now. Most of it was what I paid, though.
I know.. it was cheap and enough wattage for what I needed at the time. I don’t like it being in there, so that’ll be the next upgrade. Honestly, that should’ve been the upgrade before the new case.
Thanks though! I appreciate the praise :D
The CPU usage actually is fairly low at 1080p and with the 760ti you’re looking at medium settings usually with AAA titles. I’d definitely recommend this generation of i5’s on this kind of budget. The next generation of processors honestly are still overpriced for what they are. You’d be better off getting an i3 or a pentium from the coffee lake lineup. Thanks! :D
Thank you littletoke76! :)
Personally, I would rather spend saved PC budget on a graphics card over 10-15% performance uplift, but that's the beauty of PC building; it's all up to preference and I can tell from your intelligent comment that you agree with that aspect. It's so nice to see users post helpful feedback and comments on PCPP. I don't usually comment on many posts, but sometimes I just have to thank people for being so supportive of others!
Also, I really enjoyed your father-son build back in July, and I'm not usually a fan of Black and Red Themes. Can't wait to see more from you! :D
I agree with 'Nathiest' and other commenters regarding blanket statements based on both an improper understanding on how processors operate on a core-by-core basis and the believe that a particular processor is better than another based on one CPU having more cores or a higher frequency.
In most circumstances, commenters below your post are correct in that Intel is "the way to go if you value performance over cost". Your statement can be considered both true, as well as false. In short, AMD's Ryzen processors (you don't give a model number or segment number such as Ryzen 3, 5, etc.) cannot be considered better than any particular Intel offering without going into specific use-cases, product numbers, and other details needed to make a proper assumption such as TDP, if using hardware acceleration with Intel's integrated graphics, the PC build's form factor and cooling capacity to insure Turbo-frequencies and any worries regarding throttling, etc.
The same can also be said about Intel. A Pentium G4560 is a capable gaming processor in it's own right, but even if you were to base it on MSRP and performance alone, we've come a long way from Kaby-Lake. So no, Intel isn't always #1 in every single aspect. However, claiming an AMD FX 9590 is faster than a G4560 would be considered, in my opinion, just as much of a blanket statement. It's more specific than what you were inferring but doesn't have the merit behind it for it to mean anything,
Now, you didn't say anything about older architectures (me having to guess what "AMD Base Processors" are), and you didn't say anything about lower end models of processors either, but you didn't not say it either. That is mainly what I haven't seen replied yet and what I feel is better than 6+ downvotes on your comment. Don't expect to not get hate comments (this isn't one of them) about your zero sentence remark on such a controversial topic if you can't back it up with anything other than:
"No just no the Ryzen 7's have more threads and computing power than an i7."
Now you have mentioned a particular model, a Ryzen 7, but still use the term i7 as if it's a model number. From your comment, I can infer just as you did about other commenters that you stand by a statement like "an i7 9800X is slower than a Ryzen 7 1700 because it's intel and AMD's Ryzen 7 processors specifically are better than both Intel and Base AMD processors".
NOTE: The last quote was NOT 'ajdroc', rather it was a statement that is false but is proven true by his most recent comments. I just don't want people to come to PCPP looking for valuable information and assume that this is accurate, especially on a Budget Build Guide created by PCPP Staff; a resource that I would go to if I needed to build a PC. However, I hope that you receive no more hate than you have already, as this should be a peaceful platform to share content and opinions with each other.
I apologize for this being so long, as no one will probably read this, but I hope you all have a great rest of your day! :D
*+1+ for using the Loque GHOST over the NCASE or similar. Challenge and variety are what keep enthusiasts from quitting the PC building space. Also, it’s a dead meme but “it just works” :D Ray-Tracing, in my opinion, isn’t really a love it or hate it. Rather, it’s a new technology that needs a lot of improvement before the mainstream audience will consider it worth the investment.
I’d I could, I’d definitely pick up an RTX card and be an early adopter. :D
Tangent aside, I love this SFF build!!
Finally, a build on PCPP that isn’t overclockable :D
I know that the option is nice, but performance/dollar usually shows that a simple, quality B360 motherboard and locked i5 will give you great performance when paired with something like the 1070 that you’re using for this build. +1 for quality over a lot of extra RGB or similar that won’t directly help performance as much. Granted, I’m not a hater of either RGB or the 8700K/9900K builds on PCPP; I just respect someone who knows what a balanced system requires for typical gaming.
Good luck to you and your future endeavors!
Thank you Colderblaze! I absolutely love the H500 and new after I retired my S340 non-elite that it was the case for me and I think that’s partly why it looks so much more clean now than before or a lot of my other builds.
I appreciate it :)
Thanks so much! Yeah, White is my classic go-to custom build. Even cheap, I think it looks so classy and clean. :D Depending on what she’d do with it, I think she’d be very happy with the performance something like this would give.
That sounds like a great plan! I sincerely support to transition to any variety of ultra-wide. I couldn't afford Samsung's 1080p Super Ultra-Wide when it first launched so I stuck with a budget panel for the time being. Still 21:9, but no where near as impressive... Now you may have better luck since more companies like Dell, ASUS and LG are coming to market with the same panels as the original Samsung panel.
But either way, that is quite the story and I'm sorry to hear about the dead pixels :( They can be undetected until months after you start using a monitor as a daily driver.
+1 for the 9590 and the R9 290 back in 2014; back around that time, a budget PC using AMD wasn't all that cheap considering the price of the FX processor. Regardless of the debate over whether or not it is actually an 8-core processor or not, it didn't really bottleneck a graphics card like that much at all; especially at the higher clockspeeds being pushed in later FX generations. :)
And you had 16GB of DDR3, you knew before most others about the importance of memory capacity even back before they used more than 8GB. In the end it comes down to preference and time frame, but I think an SSD may have been a nice step to take over the inclusion of a 1TB Hard Drive. Although, I don't remember how much such solid-state capacity you'd have received for the same amount of money. :D
I have a soft spot for white builds, though I haven't seen many with a 9900X or 64GB of such expensive memory. That isn't hate though, more like jealousy since I would definitely want to do that if I could. :)
Good luck on finishing your desk setup and any sort of cable management you may have left at the moment. I love seeing a quality PC build accompanied by a quality setup. Is there any particular reason why you only have the two monitors side by side? Perhaps a space constraint?
This build looks amazing; and you're even sporting an AMD processor. I can't say I prefer one over the other, Intel or AMD, but can definitely say that's a great platform.
I'm feeling very attached to this case for some reason after seeing it without the Stock Red LED Case Fans. I'd much rather a ring-led fan like you have used for your build.
+1 and I hope to see more from you!
Thank you! Yeah, I didn’t previously use the 3D marks scores until recently but I think it’ll be an improvement as I continue to make more builds and share them with people. It compares them to what someone else would have, as well as themselves.
And the 6600K was one of the best IPC value-oriented overclocking processors at the time, but now with coffee-lake it is just insane to see 6 cores and 6 threads on an i5... but I’ll take my i3-8100 equivalent anyday. :D
I know this comment is fairly old, I believe what you meant is that the Ryzen 3 2200G was having issues; as it was not technically part of the first generation Ryzen lineup. Motherboards with the A320 and B350 chipset would only be officially compatible with said processors after a bios update either from you doing it yourself or having the retailer do it. If a retailer does the bios update, you should see a “Ryzen 2 Ready” or equivalent sticker on the motherboard’s box. A chipset like, for example, B450 or X470 would have the necessary bios by default.
Again, 16 months old as of this comment but definitely a relevant topic.
Also, nice HTPC :D ‘noext’. This case has a special place in my heart, but I ended up going with the node 202. :( still a nice form factor, with a bit more options than that of the node 202. +1
That’s what I was thinking myself, but I’ve personally used an OEM Asetek AIO in the past. Either way, it’s a well performing build. I do question not using custom parts instead of stating the wrong parts.
It’s not bad to have a pre-built, if that’s how I may be sounding. I just believe that, since this amazing site has the ability to have custom created parts, you may want to use them. It seems slightly misleading.
I’m not entirely certain, but I remember the Founder’s Edition of the GTX 1080 only had a single eight-pin PCIe power cable :\
A balanced build for certain spec-wise, but I am curious about this AIO. Doesn’t NZXT have an RGB front-plate on the Kraken M22? Perhaps this was an OEM model? I’ve used OEM’s in the past and they aren’t necessarily worse. I’d definitely recommend either more pictures or to potentially change the color of the case lighting/rgb strips if applicable.
Understandable, especially considering how good the build looks from the front; most don't see or notice as long as that's the case. Also nice photos :) I really like the lighting on the whole set-up, even though I'm not one for the RGB or lighting craze.
I received the motherboard used and without the I/O shield, as to why it isn't installed. I plan on looking on eBay to find a cheap replacement shield. Personally,since the back is completely sealed and I don't currently have a 120mm fan in the normal installation position towards the back of the case, I just assumed the hot air would rise through the top due to proper convection patterns rather than have more desk space being taken up. I'll definitely move it as best I can to be away from the wall :D
Definitely not on the floor :)
You, sir, need an intervention..
In the shape of a 9900k :D
I think upgrading is a part of life, but you have found a way to explain it in such a way that makes me want to upgrade my own rig whenever I want to which is all the time! Cheers though, if I could I’d do the exact same thing. I’ve never delid, but I know how great the 8700K is :)
Amazing build and even better description +1
Thanks! You’re probably right on that one, it was the original case I wanted to do my first custom loop in and I honestly have nostalgic feels whenever I see one :)
I made my own table using two 12” wide, 7’ long premium pine using a pocket-jig. It mounts nicely together and you can even add a trim using the same technique to the underside. Anything you decide to do will probably be better than ikea’s countertops. They’re really meant to be reinforced and used in the kitchen demos they have on the show room floor. Those legs are definitely solid though especially given the price of metal table legs nowadays.
Cheers to being a happy camper :D
+1 Without room to manage any cables, that is a really great job and I'm glad your dad loves the build. PC's are one of those things that, for those not keeping up or involved in the industry, don't need or want anything fancy or any 'eye-candy' so to speak.
It's also a shame that motherboard I/O hasn't progressed enough to have a somewhat-capable and recent Display-Port connection along with the HDMI port on all motherboard with the possibility of using integrated graphics :(
When you say the prices and performance of M.2 drives have changed, do you mean that the performance is better now due to some sort of degradation? I'm looking into buying an M.2 as a new boot drive hearing that the performance is a pretty noticeable difference. Crucial seems to be a pretty trustworthy brand, like Samsung, with respect to performance but I haven't looked to far into benchmarks in CrystalDiskMark or similar.
+1 because there needs to be more PLEX/Trans-coding server and NAS builds on this site :D
I personally prefer the Fractal Design R5 White over most other cases, but the Meshify C seems to have better airflow with the mesh front panel; even with tempered glass!
With the other build, did you happen to get the R5 (Assuming it's an R5 still haha) when it released? I can't seem to find competitively priced New Condition R5 in white.
Maybe I just lost my chance ;(
+1 for the use of a 2400G and keeping within your budget :)
Honestly, I see so many builds with the younger brother, the Ryzen 2200G, but I honestly think as the year progresses that the extra processing power of the 2400G is so impressive; so much more so than the Ryzen 3 chip. And having a lower-cost PC Build with 16 GB of matching DDR4 ram makes for a very capable gaming/productivity machine :D
Good luck to you and any potential upgrades/new builds in the future!