Civ 6 is a more CPU bound title than GPU.
What resolution do you play at?
The 580 is still an excellent low cost option and leagues better than a 1050ti. Keep in mind that the 1660 super is usually equal, better, or worse than a 580 depending on titles, so its still a good card
Also, do not rely on rumors of soon to be released products. Wait for them to actually be released and reviewed, compared.
There will always be something better being released and what you just purchased is already out dated the second you click buy.
That said, dont fall into the trap of you must buy and upgrade constantly.
The only reason to get a 5600xt from a 580 would be if you want to game at 1440p, since the 580 struggles there.
If thats the case, unless you need the processing power, get one of the apu chips like 2200g, 2400g, or third gen versions. They have integrated graphics and are inexpensive
You may need to find a case bracket mod, ATX to SFX in order to mount it properly.
I have the Pulse version, its msrp is $409. If you want to get the best though, the red devil from Powercolor, Gigabyte OC, and MSI Gaming X are some of the top contenders. All 5700xt’s have the same preformance it comes down to cooling and design in the differences
I play games like Destiny 2, Bl3, The Outer Worlds, Fallen Order, strategy games like Factorio and Satisfactory, and a few others, usually 90 or higher fps.
What is your budget? A 950 will be very rough these days.
Also what do you play?
Well, first your build some general advice
The B450 pro carbon is not guranteed to have the updates to run a third gen chip. Unless you know for ceetain, its gonna be a gamble. I personally run a 3700x on a B450 Tomahawk Max and its doing spectacularlly.
You also have an SFX power supply listed. You want an ATX model for that case. SFX is a smaller part and designed to fit in small cases. The screw holes may not even line up is the big issue.
I personally own a 5700xt and plan to upgrade in a minimum three years, but as they say you do you.
The 2080 line is only really worth if if you want 4k above 60fps.
Your monitor also comes with freesynch which will be compatible with Radeon cards. It can be made compatible with Nvidia but its more finickey. Nvidia uses a tech called G-Synch. Both free or G synch are types of adaptive synch. Its the software that lets your monitor run at above 60fps.
They are both good models.
What is your budget?
What resolution do you play at?
Do you care about raytracing?
Which gpu supports the games you play better?
You can see pictures of the define S in my completed build.
Its more like their R series. Meshify C is a compact case, but a very popular one
5700xt sits in the middle between the 2070 and 2070 super on comparison charts
The red devil is one of the best variants, another good one is the gaming x. Nitro and pulse are good too.
What are your current specs?
1060 is quite old by now, but still a decent low- mid level card
I can give you my experiences with a 5700xt
Sapphire Pulse model which is a dual fan card and runs at $409 avg
Its in a mid tower Fractal Design Define S, 650w TXM Gold psu from Corsair
I have never had it get above 80c on me
I play games like D2, BL3, The Outer Worlds, Fallen Order, Metro Exodus, Civ VI, and strategy games like Factorio and Satisfactory.
All games are at 1440p and usually 90+ fps (depending on title)
Currently using driver 19.11.3 which is the latest, and at least for me I have had zero driver issues. My biggest issue is Bl3’s Dx12 mode but that is true for everyone AMD and Nvidia users.
You may want to look at the Radeon 5700xt options or a 2070 super. Do your research and figure out which fits your budget and preformance needs.
Also I would recommend an aftermarket cooler for a 3900x. Yes its stock cooler will work, but it will not let the 3900x boost close to its max.
What are you doing with this system?
Nope, not for me anyway
Sapphire Pulse 5700xt
Purchased on 9/5/19
Not latest drivers, currently 19.11.2
Games: I play D2, The Outer Worlds, Civ VI, Metro Expdus, Fallen Order, Bl3, and less intense games like Satisfatory and Factorio.
My Pulse is mostly stock. Only changes I made was a fan curve change to be slightly more agressive, and boosted memory clock as high as it can go.
My experience has been very smooth. The only graphics issues I have had have been in Bl3 and D2, but both of those are related to Dx12 issues in the game itself (BL3) and poor connection to the host in D2’s peer to peer system.
All I am saying is its a good idea if old equipment is getting hotter than it should.
Well, its a good idea if the gpu is old. Thermal compound can become less efficient with age.
Just look it up, it stands for display driver uninstaller. Its a tool you can use to cleanse every driver file on your pc hidden, temp, main, everything
Just follow its instructions to the letter and everything will be fine.
You will need to reinstall drivers after its done. AMD radeon software, Nvidia, etc because all will be left is the basic Windows defaults
As long as you know its limitations and play games accordingly you will be fine.
Also maintain it. Change the thermal compound, give it a thoriugh dusting, etc
Your overthinking it: Yes you can
I would run DDU on your machine though, especially if there was an older video card or an Nvidia model in there prior.
Basiclly flushes out all the leftover driver gunk.
Yea it was all the sudden for me too. Mine was at 4.1ghz on a 1.3v pffset. For two years
It shouldnt have died and I am not understanding it. Sent a service request to AMD, see what they say but just unexpected.
Would have just got a new cpu and used my B350 Tomahawk as I know the 3600 can work on it but alas, BIOS isnt updated... aah well
Yea im familiar with Ryzen Master but I know fine tuning a 1600 is a different method than the third gen cpu’s
I wouldnt even be worrying if my 1600 didnt die all of the sudden. Sad
Toms hardware? No cant find an article there unless I missed it
Did find this. And I was told SLI was pointless and it kinda is eventhough NVLink works very well. Issue mostly is that developers have to actually peverage this new sli variant and most do not.
Last time I checked sli was useless on rtx cards.
It wont but I am trying to say that you will be limited to what your old monitors can do. 2080’s are 1440p, 4k cards.
Thats why I said in between the 2070 variants :)
Does EVGA even make a Navi sku?
And yes Red Devil is one of the better ones. I personally use a Sapphire Pulse 5700xt. Not the best, not the worst, but mine still can get to the max a 5700xt can do anyway.
What case are you working in?
What are you cooling?
Usually 360’s are hard to fit in a case and a good 240 or 280 will preform just as well and use less room.
And dont throw out a good hsf like a laege Noctua, Scythe, or Deepcool model.
Im not a Nvidia user but
Some of my best resources are gamersNexus, Pauls Hardware, and Hardware Unboxed
Youtube channels that specialize in entheusiest tech. They will have reviews and comparisons on these products.
I personally use a radeon rx 5700xt which preforms between a 2070 and 2070 super
And IF you can consider Radeon, 5700 or 5700xt
Any converter really will work, BUT on a 2080S you will not get anywhere close to its preformance.
Consider getting a cheap 60+ fps 1440p or better monitor.
I dont blame you. All I can say is what I have stated above, that my Navi experience has been good, but thats just one opinion and you have a counter opinion.
Thats why I said do some research on your own. In the end its your money.
Remember, that most companies like Newegg and Amazon do have a return policy, so make sure that you read that fine print no matter what anyway. If you live near a MicroCenter, even better.
My goal is to not pressure you into one decision or another.
A 2070 super is just a tad better than a well preforming 5700xt. I would do research, look at some comparisons and make a decision for yourself. Gamers Nexus, Pauls Hardware, and Hardware Unboxed are great Youtube sources for this kind of stuff.
Dont get evoke. Its the worst preformer in the bunch
Its issue is that MSI uses thermal pads for the memory chips that are far too small. They have tried to correct it but results still mixed
Also, I have been using a Sapphire Pulse 5700xt for a while now and have had very few issues, actually almost zero. The only issue I have is Bl3’s dx12 mode but that has nothing to do with the card.
Destiny 2 also sometimes hickups but after testing I can safely say thats due to lag and not my hardware
I run at 1440p on a 144hz monitor, driver version 19.10.2 at time of writing
Neither. The Red Devil is the best PowerColor option from what I have seen.
And those work on 350? Thought 450 was the bare minimum recommendation?
I was actually goong to say the same thing you did and I own a 5700xt. I play at 1440p 90+fps though.
Its a great card for the 1440p territory. But 4k? Nope. Also 4k is a gimmick in my opinion thst really doesnt offer more than 1440p.
If it cannot get a regular 3dmark run done with consistancy than I would contact Sapphire and RMA. The chance of a defect if fairly high.
Another option would be to physiclly open the card and inspect the pcb, re apply thermal compound, and re seat the hear sink.
If you are going to go with a 5700xt choose one of these
Ones NOT to get
The evoke has some of the worst memory thermal pads I have ever seen.
The THICC models have more plastic furnishing on them than heat sink material.
If you want to see for yourself, look up Gamers Nexus. They did a very detailed overview of most 5700xt models.
If you want to save on the cpu, get a Ryzen 3700 or 3800. They will preform very well for the task at hand, come with a decent box cooler, and overall easier to cool.
Also make sure your motherboard can support the RAM you pick. Check the manufacturer QVL list for that motherboard. Not all boards can properly support above 3200 speeds.
I dont think a 360 rad AIO will even fit properly in a Mechify C. Great case but its very compact. Keep that in mind.
You can underclock, but the factory settings should be just fine.
There is tools yes for total system usage but most are unreliable. The best way would to get a power meter and see how much power you are pulling from the wall.
Morherboard compatability comes down to a few iteams, but as your board is recent, these should not be an issue.
Your top PCI-E slot should be x16, your mobo manual will confirm.
The slot should be PCI-E 3.0 and no reason for it not to be.
Run DDU before you install it. Display driver uninstaller. It gets rid of all display drivers and makes a clean slate for the new device.
I have a 650 watt psu as well and it supports a ryzen 5 1600 and a rx 5700xt so you should be good there.
It probably will produce more heat, but should not be too much more. I dont know the numbers off hand but just look up reviews on that specific model and you will find the details.
Its been 11 days since I asked to run a simple graphics test to try and start narrowing things down instead of blindly guessing. I would say the same thing for you. Run a stress test like 3d mark or whatever you think is appropriate, and make sure the card can pass. That will at least narrow things down.
Run 3d mark TimeSpy for me, idc about score just want it to finish.
I own this exact card and have had zero issues with Destiny 2. Almost 80 hours put in since they moved to Steam
Odyssey is a unoptimized mess of a game.
Red Dead probably will be in a bad place too based on Rockstar’s history with GTAV optimization.
Cyberpunk? Anybody’s guess but will probably be very well optimized.
Anyway I play at max settings, 1440p, 144hz
Currently own a Radeon RX 5700xt Sapphire Pulse using latest drivers as of writing
Before this card, I had a MSI Radeon Rx 580 Armor Oc
My experience has been nothing short of excellent. In the games I play, Borderlands 3, Destiny 2, Warframe, Eve Online, Factorio, and Satisfactory I have had only one major issue, with Borderlands 3’s Bx12 mode. I belive thats a game issue and not drivers
I must be one of the lucky ones then, I have been having very few issues with my 5700xt. Games like Destiny 2, BL3, Warframe, etc run properly. I do have issues with Dx12 in BL3 but thats a game implemention issue I believe.
Red Devil is a good pick, one of the top preformers. I personally have the Sapphire Pulse model because of inventory and I liked it. So why not?
I would avoid the Evoke from MSI and the THICC II from XFX though. Both have had issues
Evoke. First released with far too small thermal pads on the memory resulting in overheating. Very simple mistake and no idea if its corrected yet.
thicc II. Uses stainless steel as the contact plate....also the card’s size is mostly plastic furnishings. The hear sink is far smaller than it should be visually. Its just an optical illusion to make you think its better.
Other than those two, havent heard many issues of the other models out there.
*My knowladge comes from the following sources
Sapphire Pulse owner here. Love this card
There are some models you should just not to get
MSI Evoke oc - initially came with too small memory chip thermal pads. IF its fixed, its a good option. IF not, avoid
XFX - Thicc II - has fan control problems, and temps are much higher than it should be. Card also uses a smaller heat sink than you would expect, and a stainless steel contact plate which is the worst choice.
Gigabyte, Sapphire, Asus, Powercolor are all wonderful options for their 5700xt’s.
I cannot say yes or no on the Asrock cards as I have not seen one reviewed yet.
What all have in common:
They all preform the same, or similar. This is a limitation AMD put, so overclocking is limited on these cards
What is the difference?
The difference is noise, thermals, and creature comforts like bios switches.
One of the best places for thorough 5700xt comparisons is Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed.
As a Radeon rx 5700xt Sapphire Pulse owner, I can second this.
Mine gets to its boost clock of 2054 with ease, and maxed its memory to 950mhz ( highest it will let me)
VR ready is nothing more than a marketing tag line. It quite literally means nothing.
You want to look at the system requirements for whatever VR implimentation you want to use and use those specification recommendations. If its better then your good.
A 5700xt, especially a high end one like the red devil preforms very close to 2070Super levels.
Thats why I said it the way I did. It could be the game, or drivers, or any combination.
In the end just added it to show both good and bad experiences, trying to be as forthcoming as possible.
I can give feedback as a 5700xt owner.
Exact model: Sapphire Pulse 5700xt
System: Ryzen 1600 @ 4.1ghz, 16gb of 3200 ram
Connected to a 1440p, 165hz monitor.
I play currently:
In Factorio and Warframe, the card preforms remarkably, usually above 100fps at least.
In BL3, I get 60 to 70 fps at 1440p ultra (motion blur off, dx11 mode as dx12 doesnt like me)
I have crashed twice in bl3, but have no idea if its the driver or game’s fault honestly.
My card also is undervolted by -50mv, kept stock max core clock of 2054, and boosted memory to its max of 950mhz
Aah, oops. Was mostly going off memory of the apu’s. Swore 2400g was 6 core, aah well. Learn and move on