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Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity (V5)

  • 11 months ago
  • 1 point

So interestingly enough I've upgraded my rig since V5 (lets call it V5.5) with a second 2080ti and I replaced the 5820K with a 9900K. I can tell you from that experience there was a definite CPU bottleneck on the 5820K even overclocked.

For example in Battlefield 5, with all settings set to max, the game would fluctuate pretty wildly between 85-95 fps sometimes for short bursts jumping higher. With the 9900K it never drops below 120 fps (my monitors refresh rate). The game would also have stutters with the 5820K which have disappeared with the 9900K. Same exact outcome for PUBG.

Total War was similar, but the 9900K allows me to basically put 10K plus units on the field and hold a playable framerate over 60FPS. Which that type of unit scale would crash the game with the 5820K or make the fps drop in the low teens.

Now the question becomes, the 9900K is like $550+ dollars and a good motherboard for it is $200+ (whatever you do for the love of god dont get an ASUS board this generation their awful and the vrms are trash), so is it worth $800ish dollars for that performance increase when the 5820K still technically gets over 60fps. For me the answer was yes, but that may not be the case for you. The 9900K is also an 8core/16thread monster on a non HEDT process so it should crush the 5820K. The unfortunate part is nothing below the 9900K has hyper threading that im aware of in the 9000 series, so you can only get 8/8 or 6/6 below it. So you lose vcores if you go below the 9900K. Will that technically matter, as the new cores are probably that much stronger than the 5820Ks phyiscal 6 cores? Idk maybe, I would suspect the 9000 series 8/8 & 6/6 would still kill it, but i dont have any to test with.

So end all be all, if you want the best of the best there is a cpu bottleneck on the 5820K, however its at the high end, and not something most people will notice or care about. However if you do, upgrading to something in the higher 9000 series will probably fix that. The 9900K is probably overkill, but if you wanna go all out, its a monster.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity (V5)

  • 15 months ago
  • 2 points

Hi Thanks!

The temps are pretty good, way better than my previous case. I currently get about 28c idle / 60-65c load on my CPU and then around 32c idle / 70c under load for my GPU. This is with the setup you see 120x3 in the front and then the corsair 240 rad in the top.

I actually ordered 3 additional fans for the bottom spot, but I haven't had any reason to put them in and I think it looks better without them (I haven't even opened the box they came in!), so unless you really need that extra airflow I think you'd be fine without it!

Honestly suggestion wise, idk. This case was probably the easiest I've worked with in a while (3.5" drive sleds withstanding). Make use of the top of the drive cage enclosure / cubby between the drive cage and power supply with cable management, they make it easier to close up that center bit, keeping it clean. Make sure you get the plastic off the inside of the glass (and the Lian-LI / Der 8auer logo), and that's about it. Its honestly so easy in this case, just take your time have fun. :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity (V5)

  • 15 months ago
  • 1 point

hahaha a couple of ways, it wasn't all purchased at once, as a lot of the components were incremental upgrades over time (the original build was like 3K though).

But I'm 25, I live at home, and I'm a system admin for a medical company, and this is like my only hobby, so I have some money to devote to it. :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 33 months ago
  • 2 points

Hey Karm!

In regards to the CL GW T40 I like them a lot. They can get extremely loud, but they stay clear throughout the range. I also listen to a ton of music so that was also important to me when picking speakers. I listen to the same music you listed above and I think they play those types of songs extremely well. From a gaming perspective they are also incredible. I remember when I first set them up I turned them up about half way and fired a broadside from my ship in Assassins Creed - Black Flag. I almost fell out of my chair because it was so loud and amazing sounding. Like actual cannons firing. lol To give you an idea. I generally never have to turn the speakers above 15-20% volume.

Some things to note about them: 1) Even though most pictures of the speakers down show it, there are mesh grills for the fronts of both speakers they are very nice and soft, and they completely cover the entire front (the 6 tiny circles on the front around the edge is actually were the mesh grills slot it) This completely hides the yellow bits, however if you like those the grill is completely optional. 2) The 3.5mm cable that comes with them, in my opinion, isn't shielded very well / isn't very thick. Which originally led to some distortion noises when no sound was playing. I ended up just swapping that out for a thicker 3.5mm cable I had laying around and haven't had any issues since. 3) These speakers have a "sleep" mode. Basically what that means is either A) when the computer turns on, or B) after a set amount of inactivity (no sound) the speakers will go into "sleep" or "standby" (you can tell because the blue light around the volume knob will go out) The crap part about this is once it detects sound, like you start playing a song, it takes a few seconds (2-3) before the speakers to come back on. This isn't really an issue for me, as either I just rewind that first song I want to listen to, or it kicks on during the launch screen of a game. It also isn't an issue if you manually turn the volume knob to off when your done and back on when you start using it (as that turns the speaker on regardless of sound output). Like I said, not an issue for me, but its something to know as it may be for you.

If you have any other questions let me know!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey CallOfSnowGolem. It can hold a total of 8 fans.

3 rear exhaust (1 in front / 2 on the drive cage in the back) 2 top exhaust (both in the front) 3 front intake (back compartment. The ones you see in front pictures)

Hope this helps!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

Ahh I see. Hmm. you could do that and I think that would be fine. You could also just plasti-dip the entire front face in something like Plasti-Dip True Metallic Aluminum or Anthracite Grey. I would think we a few coats it would keep the light from bleeding through entirely. (you can also shut off the LED within Geforce Experience then uninstall Geforce Experience OR download the LED visualizer stand alone.

In regards to the clips, at least on my 8PIN GPU cables I have maybe 3/4 clips up front and 1 in the back and it generally works out well. Only because I can use tie-downs in the back to make up for the lack of clips. I think if you ask nicely he would probably add more, he's usually pretty open to simple requests. And you're welcome!

And Nawh I think that's really all you need, especially if you are using that Evolv with a PSU shroud. Almost all of your other cables will be completely hidden. Now depending on how you do your drives, you may want to get SATA Cables done, but it looks like you're only doing an M.2 SSD and then regular mechanical's so I don't think that will be necessary. If you were to take out the hard drive cages in the future and do 2 or 3 SSD's mounted directly to the wall plate, then I would say they would probably be a good addition.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

Ahh that makes sense. I saw some of the stuff listed at the bottom and must have glossed over the tubing. That sounds perfect.

In regards to the red on the ROG HB SLI Bridge. You can probably take the shroud off of it. And either. Disconnect the red LED and paint over the red plastic with white. Just paint over it with white without disconnecting. Possibly sand off the red if it's done similarly to the Nvidia logo on reference cards or a mix of the above. That way you keep the logo but it shines white. I've done it before with decent luck. If you're not really dead set on that bridge you could always get EVGAS HB Bridge. I think it's silver/black and I'm pretty sure it's RGB this time around.

And they do! I prefer them because the cables seem less rigid than cable mods or some of the other off the shelf cables. Like. In those cables you can see where it was twisted / bent in the shipping bag alot of the time. And that drives me insane.

You can actually get a custom pattern for you cables (each cable can even be different) the lengths are up to you as well. (if you want to keep your system super clean and tidy) and he has multiple cable clip colors you can pick from he preinstalls. (usually between 2-4 per cable depending on the length you pick) it's a single guy out of I think Illinois? His stuff is really high quality and I really appreciate the attention to detail he puts into them.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh I totally agree that there are better monitors out there with faster refresh rates. But the style of this monitor definitely won me over. I love the clean, subtle, professional look it projects and overall the quality is almost unbeatable. I was looking at the predator series and Asus's ROG monitors. But the red accents. Ugh. Deal breakers unfortunately for me. I'm also not a fan of the "aggressive" look. Is it wrong that I would take the downgrade just for looks?! Because I tend to do that alot lol. I agree I can't wait for (side) bezel-less screens.

And I really like alot of the parts you picked for your build. I love. LOVE. Phanteks Evolv cases, they are beautiful and great to build in. Are you going for a ROG style Red/Black/(white?) build?! If so, I can see a really beautiful build in the works with the parts you've picked. Also I didn't see CPU cooler but that's a pretty easy thing to match. Also that chair. I want. Finally, when you do start building. I recommend looking into ensourced cables over cablemod. Not that cablemod cables are bad. But the quality on ensourced cables is just out of this world and you get alot more customization in what you're getting. Regardless hopefully you get to start building soon!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 40 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey Awakening,

Good question. I did it for a few reasons. While you are correct that in most cases a single card can handle 60FPS at 1440P on max settings there are some fringe cases where it can't, I also wanted this build to last a few years, so its also partly overbuilt now to hopefully keep those standards for at least a little longer than usual.

In regards to my monitor choice, I'm not a huge fan of 4K on windows, applications (that arent games) scale like garbage, becoming pixelated, and 1440P is still comfortable to me without any scaling. I also really like the quality and attention to detail that Dell puts into its Ultrasharp's, its by far the best monitor I've ever owned. I also bought this particular model because of how small the bezels are. I plan on buying a second at some point the future, or switching to an ultrawide.

For the less reasonable reasons I have two 980ti's are because... It filled in the case and I thought two looked better than one aesthetically and I had the money to blow. :P While completely unnecessary I tend to almost always have cross-fire or SLI cards in my builds, something about the look just excites me.

If you have anymore questions let me know, Id be glad to answer them, and im glad you like it overall! :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 42 months ago
  • 2 points

Hey Hey! I appreciate it! I usually roll 2 of the highest end GPU's I can get when I do a build (in this case the 980ti was my man at the time) and then I skip one or two generations. I also like filling out the case with 2 GPU's. But for anyone else I always recommend best single GPU you can afford. Its a do as I say not as I do scenario. :P

The case size is eh, its way smaller than the AIR 540 from Corsair, so if you wanted a nice desk show piece it is much better to fix and deal with, but if you don't have the space it can be weird. I also couldn't imagine putting it on the floor...

Also funny side story. Based off some peoples thoughts / Ideas in this thread we are up to revision 4.5. Both GPU's have EVGA Hybrid coolers on them, a new EVGA bridge, all the fans have been replaced with the new corsair ML fans, and some gray/black cables. :) (I'll add some pictures later)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

It's not uncomfortable persay. But yes its definitely audible when audio dips, if you're a silence person this case is DEFINITELY not for you. I totally know that feeling because I had an H440 before this case which was dead quite as well. (totally agree on the HDD's being the loudest part in that case, WD Blacks can get gross when they are seeking.)

And thank again! :D

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey Nibslip, whatcha mean? Like a parts list or something more?

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Not a problem. Glad to help out! :) and thank you! I appreciate it!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Hmm thats a really interesting setup. Ill have to look into this further.

I appreciate you finding a picture though and for the idea in the first place. I really like it.

Thanks again Kazini! You da man.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Absolutely.

Here you go: http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.aspx?pn=100-BP-4995-B9

If you have any other questions let me know!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

hahaha ehh its close enough! :P Its the thought that counts!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Not a problem my friend! And I just looked up your build its very nice! Your cable management in the rear compartment is quite commendable, mine doesnt look nearly as cleaned up back there. :)

Good luck with your order! I hope you enjoy it! :D

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

hahaha Thank you! :D I appreciate it!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

And I totally appreciate it! I actually had the same problem when I first finished this build. I had replaced MSI Afterburner with EVGA X Precision when I bought my 980ti's because one would think, an EVGA card would do better with EVGA software... But alas X Precision was terrible. The custom fan curves would never stick, or they would only stick to one card (even if applied to both) and it was totally killing me with temps and throttling. I switched back to Afterburner and things got considerably better.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

haha Thanks! :) That was actually one of my main goals this time around. Usually I promise myself I'm going to actually "Cable Manage" and then that goes right out the window. Honestly when I first put this together I had the LED's running out of the bottom grommets, and after a few days I decided I wanted nothing on the floor. So I had to basically take the entire thing apart to move those up into the top. Totally worth it though.

And I would agree. The airflow in this case, especially for the price is pretty disappointing. I personally can live with the trade off, but I can see a lot of others not wanting it, especially if they plan on keeping the same build for multiple years for the sake of the parts. I really with the fans in the front were almost centered and gave air to both sides, but thats just me.

I'm glad you like the color choices though! and so long as you plan it out what you want and set some goals for yourself I have no doubt you can make an even better build than mine! :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, I'd probably just spray the QDC's black. But you can use SLI with the QDC's?!? Do you have a link or an example of it?! I didnt think it was possible. If so you just made my day lol

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey Lamar,

They are all 60cm, which for this case is kinda long, but I bought them with some length so if I ever switched cases (maybe a caselabs monster in the future, I wouldn't need to order new cables. I would say 40cm-50cm would be sufficient for most places in this build.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Haha Dell Monitor Brothers UNITE! THERE ARE LITERALLY DOZENS OF US! DOZENS! And don't worry you just gotta work your way there in baby revisions. That's what I did. Revision 1 and 2 of this computer? God. I'd never show a soul those gross things. :P You just gotta get a nice base (which it sounds like you already have!), then do small purchases every so often to build up to a grand idea. :D

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

http://i.imgur.com/ea1LOX7.png

Thank you Thank you! :D

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks EZPC! :) I appreciate it. I didn't expect the feature honestly, there's so many great builds on this site already, but its quite the unexpected morale booster! :D

There were actually two different greens I was looking at for the cables, and THANK THE LORD I went with neon green. They turned out so much better than expected! I'm glad you also approve! :)

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

You are correct! I only quickly checked Corsairs website like an idiot. Good find!

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

So your going to hate me. But really nothing. I am a Network Analyst for the company I work for, I do some programming on the side, and I play games. So I really don't need it all, but I spend a lot of time on the computer already so I said what the hell, and its a nice hobby for me. Some people like to blow money on cars, I blow it on PC parts. :P

I'm glad you like it though! :D

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

haha I appreciate the 1! I'm glad you like it! :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

But But... I'm not done with it yet... D:

Guess we will have to move onto revision 5 then... ;P

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

You have no idea how much I considered it. But my general inexperience with it kept me from going full bore.

I actually have a spare PC though (made up of parts from Serenity Rev. 1 & 2 oddly enough, similar setup x-fire R9 290's and a 2500K) that I was thinking about trying hard tubing on, and seeing if I could handle it. Then i might jump up to this guy. :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

Oh stop it you. http://i.imgur.com/ea1LOX7.png

And its actually 1440P, I originally was torn between 4K and this, but the ultra thin bezels, and just quality of the panel swayed me. Also windows still isn't fully ready for 4K, people will tell you it is, but the scaling and blurring of programs that don't support 4K drives me insane and I don't have the energy to mess with work arounds anymore.

I definitely recommend this monitor though. When they threaten to discontinue them I'm buying a warehouse full of them.

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

So funny story, I actually was looking at the EK Predator 240, with QDC, before getting the H100. The only reason I didn't get it was because those QDC's were white, and it didnt support SLI cards. (also because I'm super impatient and my local Best Buy had the h100i) BUT I may have another look in the future, or ill just do a full loop if I start feeling brave and adventurous!

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

LMAO!

I'm dying, I don't think its that lovely of a PC, but i'll take it! :)

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Isnt that the truth, give it a few months and I'll be on to the next! I'm glad you like this revision though! :P

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Hey Swindle!

I actually put some pretty aggressive profiles on with Afterburner. Its gotten better, the one card in stays under 75, the other.. She still gets to around 80, but I still have some room on that profile to play with.

Its still a big difference from my H440 though, (or I just never bothered to look at the temps there lol)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

Hey Jazon!

At idle:

CPU: 25-32C (Depending on the AIO profile) GPU1: 30-35C GPU2: 32-38C

Sound wise you can hear it, especially being up on the desk, but its not too bad at idle, any kind of music, or video completely drowns it out.

At Load:

CPU: 50-70C (depending on load) GPU1: 60-75C (depending on load) GPU2: 65-83C (depending on load)

Sound wise at load, its definitely a lot louder, you can drown it out with decent audio though or headphones like I use. Its much louder than my H440 was with the same components, but it was definitely a sacrifice i was will to make for the look. :)

Hope this helps!

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

You're welcome! If I left anything out you want to know about the case let me know!

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

To this case? From Lian-Li not really. But I think for a more budget friendly but similar build the Corsair Air 540 is a great choice at around $160. For Micro ATX the Air 240 is also really swell, and fits this design language. I've personally built in both and think they are spectacular.

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Thank you thank you! :) I appreciate it!

  • Aesthetics are like my biggest peeve, if it doesn't match I basically refuse to use it, which is why this revision happened in the first place! So I'm glad outside eyes approve! :D I can never tell if I just think it matches because I built it or if it actually does. lol

  • Part wise, I kinda went with what I thought fit what I needed but also matched well, and it worked out pretty well. Ram wise I know its totally overkill, but I wanted to fill all 8 slots. :P It does play / do everything like a dream. Then I go to work and use a rinky dink computer and just facepalm all day.

  • The monitor is probably my favorite piece here, its incredible. I want more. :) I actually added 2 more pictures of my full desk at the end of the gallery. :)

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

I do, but I dont actually leave my PC on all night. I usually shut everything off when its not in use. :D

And I probably should have elaborated on that a little more, the tape itself straight from the factory is fine and quite strong, the problem is if you ever need to move the strips it becomes weaker or comes off. (which I ended up needing to do) Its just a general knock on tape LED's over magnetized strips that i think their Bitfenix or Phanteks uses, I forget which.

I actually used little double sided adhesive pads to fix them up so basically what you said! :P Some kind souls informed me in the comments though I can just email Lian-Li if i need replacements ordered! So problem double solved!

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

hm.. I never thought of that. Thanks for the idea! :) I may liquid cool though we will see what happens with pascal.

Also I'm glad you like the night light! :P

Comment reply on c0ruptiv3's Completed Build: Serenity

  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Thanks! The best part about the lighting is that it comes with the case, so its really easy to make it look hella pretty with minimal effort. Yeah I said hella. DEALWITIT. :P

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

haha I'm glad you enjoy it... :P

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  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

Thanks I'm glad you like it!

It's named after the ship from firefly. I actually name all of my computers after star ships from my favorite shows.

I currently have Serenity, Galactica, and Enterprise. :)

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  • 46 months ago
  • 2 points

Hey nathan!

So usually they hover in their 70's being air cooled (while gaming, at idle its around 45), I've seen The Division push at least one of them up to 80 though which is unfortunate. I've definitely considered liquid cooling I just havent decided if I want to do as I switch out parts pretty often lol. I was considereing maybe getting the HG10 brackets from corsair and some aios, or if I get real crazy some hardline tubing. We will see.

And I actually bought my 980ti's the month they came out last year, so waiting at the time would have been weird. Ill probably buy the new pascal cards at some point though, so I'm holding off on the above until then.

In regards to the LED strips, in my initial haste, I put them on through the bottom grommets and then their was wiring running along the bottom. I left it that way for like 3 days and decided I didnt want a single cable laying on the floor of the case and had to move them. So the one's adhesive was kinda flaky but it seems to be doing fine. :P Someone else mentioned you just have to email their support as theirs not a direct buy link for them.

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

That is awesome to know! I was actually really concerned about that for the future, and pft for $57 bucks Id almost want to buy one or two as spares now. lol

Thanks for the info man!

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

I totally appreciate it! :D I'm glad you like it!

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Haha. Not entirely. My steam library is at like 272? I also have a habit of making sure everything is installed so I don't have to wait to play. :P

Break down wise,

SSD: has 168GB free. I use this for larger or my favorite games, and windows. First WD Black: 1.59TB free, I actually use this as a media drive, so movies, music, pictures, stuff like that. It was originally a lower specc'd drive but I picked another WD Black up to make them all match. Second WD Black: 1.08TB free, this is my newest drive for games so its still got room to grow. Third WD Black: 420GB free, this is my original WD Black drive, and has the bulk of my games on it.

:P

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Hahah I'm glad you like it! And believe me, I can't begin to tell you how many zip ties are hiding on the other side of those grommets. :P

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  • 46 months ago
  • 1 point

Actually they will make them for you, so no work on your part required. You just pick the colors, pattern (or a solid color), and the length you need, and they will craft them. I've been using their cables for at least 3 years now, and I couldn't be happier. Though if you do want to make them yourself they also sell the components!

And I've definitely looked at this cans before, very solid choice. I actually just bought a pair of Sennheiser Momentum 2.0's a few weeks back and I love them.

P.S. I see your a Bojack fan, and I totally approve.

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