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Comment reply on Forum Topic "How long will this build last me?"

  • 2 hours ago
  • 1 point

Only time will tell.

If the software market hadn't started moving to a heavier multi-threaded base, and rampent security issues related to speculative execution and SMT hadn't come to light 5+ years wouldn't be unreasonable.

But Now that is up in the air could be 1-3 years could be 10+ years.

It'll fall on if software developers continue with adopting heavier multi-threading, and if Microsoft decides to continue to allow SMT.

Linux looks to be continuing with SMT support but with EPYC working to sabotage Valve's efforts in building a real Linux ecosystem for gamers its starting to look like bets are off there as well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Used vega 64 for $500 or wait for computex monday and hope NAVI it is good CPU RYZEN 5 2500"

  • 5 hours ago
  • 1 point

If that is in US or Canadian that is way too much for a Vega 64 You can get new RTX 2060 for less that trade blows.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "RAM for Ryzen 7"

  • 5 hours ago
  • 1 point

The system can default to the highest mutually supported speeds.

It can but it will default to the baseline profile for the kit which is always a 2133mt/s, or it isn't JEDEC compliant and those rules don't apply then.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "GTX 1660 TI worth?"

  • 6 hours ago
  • 1 point

It would be like jumping from a 1050ti to a 1070.

That's a pretty massive graphics performance increase.

Actually worth all the extra settings and eye candy though for the cost falls on You.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "RAM for Ryzen 7"

  • 8 hours ago
  • 1 point

Yup and everything desktop that complies with their standard defaults to 2133mt/s and needs to be overclocked manually to reach higher.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking to build a PC that is consistant at running 144fps"

  • 23 hours ago
  • 2 points

As I mentioned above.

Less GPU performance so might need to have the settings lowered more but gains CPU performance so it can hit higher frame rates at those lowered settings in more multi threaded titles.

9600K+2070 or 8700K/9700K+2060 is debatable on one hand You have 15-20% or so more graphics performance for eye candy on the other double the CPU threads to the same number of cores or 33% more cores to offload excess threads on at the cost of 15-20% graphics performance.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming and streaming pc"

  • 1 day ago
  • 2 points

You'll notice trollish downvoting from time to time until it flags and the mods deal with it.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is it too good to be true?"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

Keep in mind though You need a desktop to run a G5400 which isn't exactly an apple's to apple's comparison.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking to build a PC that is consistant at running 144fps"

  • 1 day ago
  • 2 points

Your build really could stand improvement.

CPU isn't a good option even when overclocked for a solid 144hz.

Overpriced cooler for a CPU that doesn't need it You can do a $40-50 model and still burn out the chip from too much voltage before thermals are an issue.

Terrible overclocking motherboard.

Overpriced monitor.

With some revamping it can be an arguable option that is better in every way.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $208.66 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $47.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - X470 AORUS ULTRA GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard $109.89 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $86.48 @ Newegg
Storage Corsair - MP510 960 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $119.99 @ Newegg
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $79.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card $454.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $92.19 @ Amazon
Monitor MSI - Optix MAG240VC 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $169.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1480.06
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $1460.06
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-23 17:06 EDT-0400

Or with a 2600X.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $179.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $47.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - X470 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard $164.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $86.48 @ Newegg
Storage HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $57.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Seagate - Barracuda 3 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $79.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card $454.99 @ Newegg
Case Fractal Design - Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $89.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply SeaSonic - FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $92.19 @ Amazon
Monitor MSI - Optix MAG240VC 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $169.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1449.29
Mail-in rebates -$25.00
Total $1424.29
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-23 17:11 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Looking to build a PC that is consistant at running 144fps"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

More GPU performance but might not totally hit that 144hz all the time.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i5-9600K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $249.89 @ OutletPC
CPU Cooler Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $47.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $169.78 @ Amazon
Memory Team - T-Force Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $74.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $57.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Seagate - Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card MSI - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB DUKE OCV1 Video Card $449.99 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case $79.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
Monitor MSI - Optix MAG240VC 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $169.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1474.48
Mail-in rebates -$50.00
Total $1424.48
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-23 16:45 EDT-0400

Less GPU performance so might need to have the settings lowered more but gains CPU performance so it can hit higher frame rates at those lowered settings in more multi threaded titles.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor $354.99 @ Walmart
CPU Cooler Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $47.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $169.78 @ Amazon
Memory Team - T-Force Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $74.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage HP - EX900 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $57.89 @ OutletPC
Storage Seagate - Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB OC Video Card $339.99 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case $79.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
Monitor MSI - Optix MAG240VC 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $169.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1439.58
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $1419.58
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-23 16:49 EDT-0400

Version two of the above.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $399.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler Scythe - Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler $47.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS ELITE ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $169.78 @ Amazon
Memory Team - T-Force Vulcan 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $74.99 @ Newegg Business
Storage Seagate - Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $59.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB OC Video Card $339.99 @ Newegg
Case Cooler Master - MasterBox MB511 ATX Mid Tower Case $79.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply Corsair - RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $63.98 @ Newegg
Monitor MSI - Optix MAG240VC 23.6" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $169.99 @ Amazon
Custom XPG GAMMIX 512GB S11 Pro 3D NAND PCIe NVMe Gen3x4 M.2 2280 SSD (AGAMMIXS11P-512GT-C) $74.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $1501.68
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $1481.68
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-23 16:55 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "RAM for Ryzen 7"

  • 1 day ago
  • 2 points

I heard that all DDR4 RAM clock speeds over 2133 MHz is overclocked

Correct according to the DDR4 specification.

but I also heard that only over 2666 MHz is overclocked.

That is what AMD considers overclocking with first generation parts for two sticks of RAM with memory modules on a single side.

AMD uses a scaling support for clock speeds with RAM depending on how the chips are configured on the stick and how many sticks are in use.

I also read that running higher clock speed RAM at less than the stated speed (eg. 2800 MHz at 2133 MHz) gives a lower CL.

Depends on how it is configured by the manufacturer or what preset configuration the motherboard is running the RAM at.

Would there be any point to getting faster RAM and not overclocking, or just getting the speed I intend to use?

Just get the speed You are looking to get unless faster is cheaper.

Scaling benefits from RAM speed are somewhat hit and miss depending on a ton of factors You might see large gains or nothing at all.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Tweaking_Overclocking_Guide/

Comment reply on Forum Topic "think i'd like to upgrade? currently on i5 4460 and game in 1440p"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

From the 290X a 2060 or 2070 would be a hefty step up in graphics settings.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_RTX_2060_Founders_Edition/33.html

Ignore the VRAM on the cards things have come a long way in memory compression and performance since the 290X and instead look at performance.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How long will these gpus last"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

I have seen benchmarks with rx 590 get at least 60fps on ultra, are those wrong or am I wrong.

Older easier to run titles Yes it can do 1440p@ultra the problem is those are older easier to run titles and newer titles get harder to run.

So as time goes on so settings and resolution ends up being lowered over time until the card no longer suits Your performance desires in the titles You are moving into.

If You were only ever to play a fixed title selection then the performance would never change

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

Unless Your running something major on the second screen the monitor is going to hold You back more then the CPU or GPU in that title.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How long will these gpus last"

  • 1 day ago
  • 2 points

I would like at least high settings not medium not very high. Thanks.

Many titles the 590 is already going to struggle with high@1440P Now so that isn't going to meet those goals.

Vega 56 can do decently at high settings Now although since it is adequate Now it is not likely to do the same in newer titles within 1-3 years.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "low profile air cooler for i5 9400f"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

Smaller size slightly worse thermals and noise output when used in a case since the smaller fan has to run faster to remove the heat.

And it isn't much smaller then a 212 evo so it will still cover quite a bit of the motherboard.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "low profile air cooler for i5 9400f"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

What Vagabond said.

Any low profile cooler that actually shows the motherboard isn't going to be much better then the stock cooler.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Show Me What You Got"

  • 1 day ago
  • 3 points

They help and are cheap.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Show Me What You Got"

  • 1 day ago
  • 2 points

The Ryzen 3 have already been confirmed by AMD as Raven Ridge refreshes on 12nm so really are not worth waiting on.

AMD killed off the whole leaked line-up since they are not adding Navi to any of them well refreshing the older APU for low end parts and still had not finalized clock speeds.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Show Me What You Got"

  • 1 day ago
  • 2 points

I'd also upgrade the case, you're gonna cut your hands open in that thing

That is something that isn't an issue with the case.

Not a ton of room but decent to good airflow and no sharp edges.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Tfue vs Faze"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

Better to wait and see if those are true or not.

Giving alchohol to minors and signing contracts with minors without parental/guardian approval are both criminal offenses.

Now if the parents/guardians were present when those events happened they are also at fault.

Lawsuits like these bring out a ton of mudslinging and so far there is only one side of the story which benefits if these are true.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

If You want to learn that I suggest You volunteer some time to the local AA first and see for Yourself where that leads.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Show Me What You Got"

  • 1 day ago
  • 3 points

No Operating System Intel.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor $149.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B365M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $83.88 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory $64.99 @ Newegg
Storage Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $46.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill - FBM-X2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $36.98 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $552.71
Mail-in rebates -$35.00
Total $517.71
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-22 17:44 EDT-0400

AMD with Operating System.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 3 1200 3.1 GHz Quad-Core Processor $66.85 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $68.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory Patriot - Signature Line 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $37.99 @ Amazon
Storage Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $46.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill - FBM-X2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CXM (2015) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $36.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit $99.39 @ OutletPC
Custom uphere 3-pack Long Life Computer Case Fan 120mm Cooling Case Fan for Computer Cases Cooling $9.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $547.16
Mail-in rebates -$45.00
Total $502.16
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-22 17:47 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

That is a question only the inexperienced ask.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 1 day ago
  • 1 point

That's between Me and this bottle of Vodka and it doesn't talk.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

Like I said whatever it takes to appease Your ego.

Most don't want to admit they are the fault behind their bottleneck and not the system.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

GPU performance is not fixed and never has been.

You can lower or raise resolution and quality settings to change frame rate output.

So if the GPU is limiting then it is only by the User using a fixed resolution and quality settings making the limiting part the User not the graphics card.

So No it isn't bottlenecking the CPU unless it is the Users fault.

Things like CPU performance, software limitations, and monitor refresh rate are fixed and can limit or bottleneck performance.

So those are a Yes they can bottleneck.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

Whatever it takes to appease Your ego.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

Since We are looking at the graphics card limiting the CPU it is always a No unless We raise settings high enough to move the limit from the CPU to the GPU which makes the user the bottlenecker.

Normally this question is asked from the CPU side not the GPU side.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "need help"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

Get a B365 board instead.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor $149.89 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B365 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $94.02 @ OutletPC
Memory Crucial - Ballistix Sport LT 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $47.28 @ Amazon
Storage *TCSunBow - X3 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $26.49 @ Amazon
Video Card *Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - VS 650 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply $29.99 @ Newegg
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $497.66
Mail-in rebates -$40.00
Total $457.66
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-22 15:01 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Worried about the intel update."

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

So after hearing that intel had another vulnerability and that they plan to update the chip to fix it I been feeling concerned.

The exploit effected chips with hyperthreading giving a chance for someone to use a speculative attack and read the data on caches which was supposed to be secured by the operating system but wasn't.

The operating system fixes remove the access to the data so although the exploit still exists there isn't anything to be read by the attacker.

And You don't have a chip with hyperthreading.

So it really isn't something that can effect You.

However with a goal of streaming there really isn't a point to halfway measures go R7 if You are going to platform swap.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $207.83 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $68.99 @ SuperBiiz
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $276.82
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-22 14:30 EDT-0400

Little nicer motherboard.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor $207.83 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock - B450M Steel Legend Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $89.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $297.82
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-22 14:36 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is my I5 being bottle necked"

  • 2 days ago
  • 2 points

Depends on what You are doing at what quality settings and resolution.

So without knowing No and Yes.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 1600 vs 2600"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

Argue as much as You want the links You provide disprove Your points too well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can I use aura sync on a gigabyte board"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

No Aura Sync is Asus exclusive for motherboards.

Gigabyte has their own RGB Fusion software.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Asus Rog Strix X470-F The ram speed options in bios goes up to 4200mhz"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

In theory Ryzen allows up to 4000mt/s.

Problems are.

Most RAM kits rated for those kinds of speeds use non standard base clocks so the data rate gains are far smaller then it looks and the benefits just are not there.

Ryzen doesn't play nice with high voltages so You can burn out/degrade the memory controller.

You spent a ton of money for minimum gains.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "think i'd like to upgrade? currently on i5 4460 and game in 1440p"

  • 2 days ago
  • 2 points

For 60hz gameplay in older titles like those You wouldn't notice much if any difference from the older I5 being capped by the lower refresh rate monitor.

A GPU upgrade would let You turn up more eye candy as another option.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Tfue vs Faze"

  • 2 days ago
  • 0 points

Probably very willing since it would reclassify the entire industry from sports to entertainment.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Tfue vs Faze"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

Most likely.

Problem is He never would have gotten to where He is without that contract is what they will push which is probably true.

I just don't see much chance of His lawsuit succeeding in getting Him reclassified as a entertainer to get Him out of the athletic contract.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 1600 vs 2600"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

The point was counter to what you said. You said if the 2700X earns four times the profit of a 2600, then the sales volume of 2600 need to be four times the 2700X to equate to it, which is frankly not true.

It is proved by the sales figures You linked. The cost to build both are the same so the profit margin is far higher on the more expensive part.

I was saying, pricing the next generation entry-level at $130 is reasonable for market share purposes. There's no need to maximise profit by setting them higher, which in turn loses them market share and garners less profit in the long run.

AMD has currently stopped producing consumer models in this range since the profit margins are too small for CPU and switched over to using the cheaper APU silicon. The next generation is using both a more expensive production process with TSMC's 7nm and lower yields due to the size of the I/O block.

Moving to more expensive but cutting the retail price has You asking AMD to cut their own throat for Your benefit.

Again, please point me in the direction to read that, because so far I've only seen that the BIOS update supports Ryzen 3000, with no specific mention of any particular being supported/unsupported. Also, it makes no sense on a compatibility level, you literally just said it yourself, they're the same silicon, so if one silicon works, why would another not work?

APU are Mobile silicon that didn't make the power draw specifications so are repurposed for desktop use.

3000 series APU are a refresh of the 2200G/2400G on 12nm. They are not the same silicon as Ryzen CPU having been built for being small size to lower cost per chip.

At this point, we are still performing extensive testing on our existing lineup of 300- and 400-series AM4 motherboards to verify potential compatibility for the next-gen AMD Ryzen CPUs. To be clear: Our intention is to offer maximum compatibility for as many MSI products as possible. Towards the launch of the next-gen AMD CPUs, we will release a compatibility list of MSI AM4 motherboards. Below is a full list of upcoming BIOS versions which include compatibility for the next-gen AMD APUs for our 300-Series and 400-Series AM4 motherboards based on the latest AMD Combo PI version 1.0.0.0. These BIOS versions are expected to be released in May this year.

https://www.techpowerup.com/254669/msi-issues-clarification-on-next-gen-amd-cpu-support-on-300-series-motherboards

AMD currently only has about 20%+ market share, can they afford to do the same? Let's be honest, they can't.

Sure they can. If AMD were to drop current support and leapfrog Intel they would only gain customers.

  1. Intel only uses a motherboard socket for two generations to keep the number of supported chips down and leave room for updates in BIOS so next gen will be another socket.

  2. AMD has already "Broken their promise" with manufacturers unable to offer full line-up support for AM4 with 400 series and started dropping models yet there was zero issue with customers.

  3. Intel has already confirmed the next generation is another "Lake" architecture so there isn't going to be much difference other then core count.

If AMD were to jump to the ahead Now then they only stand to gain customers and sales and put Intel in the position of playing catch up instead of them sitting back and laughing at how long their Skylake design has held up.

Anyway, this has stretched way beyond. My initial point was, my guess for entry-level CPUs for the coming third generation to be around $130 for the cheapest one. That's it and it's just a guess from a logical standpoint with no evidence.

That market segment has not been covered by a Ryzen CPU since first generation. The 2600 is the lowest end CPU AMD produces for the consumer market.

It will be covered by a 12nm APU refresh.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which Case"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

More then the 511.

Giving the extra spacing between the fans which are inside the frame and the front panel which is mounted out a bit it is going to be pretty good airflow though just not as good as full mesh front.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 1600 vs 2600"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

That's strictly not true and profits don't work out like that. The charts already show, 2600s are only sold for roughly half the price of 2700X, the sales volume are nowhere near double, but the revenue they rake in is close enough.

Double check the revenue versus sales volume.

2600 sold more volume from Aug on although it only managed to pull ahead from Dec on in revenue where it also shows a decrease in revenue percentage.

So it is more being sold but at a lower cost cutting into revenue.

Keeping themselves competitive in the entry-level/mid-level market is equally as important through price competitive means, just like they've done for the first two generations.

All Ryzen is the same if they don't focus the competition on the high end then the low end suffers since it is the same silicon.

They don't have to, as long as AMD keeps their word.

This isn't anything to do with AMD it is a hardware level issue of components not being able to handle double the transfer rates they are rated to carry.

Motherboard manufacturers have been saying this issue existed since the backwards compatibility was revealed by them during the reveal.

There will be boards like the MSI Titanium that will be unable to be updated and won't work with PCIe that they were never designed to work with.

(and these even include lower budget motherboards) have already had BIOS updates to support third generation Ryzen, and this BIOS update was published weeks ago back in April,

That BIOS has already been confirmed by manufacturers as being for the APU not the CPU models.

so what you're saying just isn't true, that buying AMD will require a new motherboard. They do have a choice. As long as AMD keeps their word and pushes that the manufacturers work with them, it's not impossible for fourth generation to work on them as well.

You are taking Me out of context but it doesn't matter.

No PC user has anything but three choices they can stick with what they have, Buy from AMD, or Buy from Intel.

It doesn't matter what Intel or AMD do, or If AMD or Intel decide to go back on promises.

It doesn't matter if customers get upset they have nowhere to go but those two companies, and they can do whatever they want because nobody has an option in the matter.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Tornado"

  • 2 days ago
  • 2 points

Good to hear.

Where I live We don't get warnings very often until they actually see them so things get very sketchy very fast on way too many of them.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Tfue vs Faze"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

The eSport players sign contracts to compete as athletes in their sport so His lawsuit has very little ground to stand on legally.

But teams are also very predatory in how they recruit and treat the athletes so it isn't an unjustified lawsuit.

It would be no different then a baseball or football player suing to be treated as an entertainer instead of an athlete only they generally get better treatment.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Futurproofing: 1070 TI vs 2060"

  • 2 days ago
  • 3 points

2060 new architecture that will see some level of improvements over time with better driver support.

1070ti is a couple year old and isn't really going to see any changes.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which Case"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

You can choose multiple colors with most RGB.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which Case"

  • 2 days ago
  • 1 point

511 has a full mesh front for better airflow.

520 the front is acrylic I believe as it is curved.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Tornado"

  • 2 days ago
  • 2 points

It isn't having been through a few.

Keep all Your heads down and make sure You are somewhere things cant crush You all.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Saving my brother from pre-built overpricing"

  • 3 days ago
  • 1 point

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2 GHz 6-Core Processor $118.40 @ OutletPC
Motherboard ASRock - B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $68.99 @ SuperBiiz
Memory G.Skill - Sniper X 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $71.48 @ Newegg
Storage Patriot - Burst 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $46.99 @ Amazon
Storage Toshiba - P300 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $39.99 @ Amazon
Video Card Gigabyte - Radeon RX 570 4 GB Gaming 4G Video Card $109.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill - FBM-X2 MicroATX Mini Tower Case $24.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair - CX (2017) 450 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $39.99 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft - Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $129.99 @ B&H
Custom uphere 3-pack Long Life Computer Case Fan 120mm Cooling Case Fan for Computer Cases Cooling $9.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total (before mail-in rebates) $680.80
Mail-in rebates -$20.00
Total $660.80
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-05-21 17:16 EDT-0400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 1600 vs 2600"

  • 3 days ago
  • 1 point

Yes, lower profit margins on these CPUs, but in business, as we learned, lower profit, but higher volumes of sale can equate to/be better than higher profit, lower sales volume.

Only if You sell enough of the lower margin chips to offset the loss if AMD makes 4x the profits on a 2700X then they need to sell 4x+ the 2600 to offset the difference.

So Your entire argument that R7 and higher shouldn't exist would more then halve AMD's profits.

Now if there was no R7 then they wouldn't sell as many 2600 since people don't see an upgrade option as the FX days proved.

Your entire argument would have AMD back in the FX days when they didn't try to compete with anything above Intels I5 quad cores and it nearly cost them everything.

Radeon Revolution cost AMD over half their market share in the GPU market.

Without the higher end products people will not buy into the platforms and the company fails.

how many people that bought the first generation Ryzen/X370 in hopes of upgrading to a fourth generation do you think will be upset? Not keeping your word loses all brand credibility, no large corporation would sacrifice brand image for short term profit. Again, in business, specifically marketing, customer retention gets you far more profit than customer acquisition, so why would AMD upset their current customers, whom they do not need to appeal to, do not need to sell to, and quite frankly will buy the upgrade when the time comes?

It's a locked market they stay on the current platform, they buy AMD with a new motherboard, or they buy Intel with a new motherboard.

They don't have a choice in the matter.

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