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Comment reply on Forum Topic "Open for suggestions: Dealing with opening where ATX PSU would go"

  • 4 days ago
  • 2 points

Any store that sells glass should have it, or Amazon.

You might see it referred to as Lexan or Plexi-glass as well.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Custom Source One LLC 1/8 th Inch Thick 12 x 12 Inches Acrylic Plexiglass Sheet, Clear $7.98 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $7.98
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-02 18:48 EST-0500

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Open for suggestions: Dealing with opening where ATX PSU would go"

  • 4 days ago
  • 2 points

Acrylic is way easier to work with then mesh for that kind of job.

Cutting holes in mesh well having it keep some sort of rigidity is nearly impossible unless you build a framework as well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I Need a Built Gaming PC that Doesn't Exceed $1000"

  • 4 days ago
  • 2 points

NVidia card lower performance but less quality and driver issues.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor $144.99 @ B&H
CPU Cooler Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 Blue 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler $19.79 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock B365 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $93.98 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $54.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card $314.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill SPECTRA C100 ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $64.98 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $119.04 @ HP
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $955.74
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-02 16:37 EST-0500

AMD card higher performance but driver issues can pop up and if you get a card that keeps causing a blue screen shut down return it ASAP its faulty.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-9400F 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor $147.98 @ Newegg
CPU Cooler Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 Blue 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler $19.79 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock B365 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $93.98 @ Newegg
Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory $54.99 @ Amazon
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card PowerColor Radeon RX 5700 8 GB Video Card $324.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill SPECTRA C100 ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $79.70 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $119.04 @ HP
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $983.45
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-02 16:39 EST-0500

Going with an AMD solution allows you to upgrade the GPU performance just so your aware.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $119.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard ASRock B450 Steel Legend ATX AM4 Motherboard $94.99 @ Newegg
Memory Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $49.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card ASRock Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB CHALLENGER D OC Video Card $369.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill SPECTRA C100 ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $79.70 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $119.04 @ HP
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $976.68
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-02 16:42 EST-0500

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PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600X 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $119.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI B450-A PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard $79.99 @ B&H
Memory Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $49.99 @ Newegg
Storage Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $82.99 @ Newegg
Video Card Zotac GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING AMP Extreme Video Card $404.99 @ Amazon
Case Rosewill SPECTRA C100 ATX Mid Tower Case $59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $79.70 @ Amazon
Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Home Full 32/64-bit $119.04 @ HP
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $996.68
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-02 16:43 EST-0500

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I Need a Built Gaming PC that Doesn't Exceed $1000"

  • 4 days ago
  • 1 point

Everything or just the tower?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Streaming 3700X vs 2700X"

  • 4 days ago
  • 1 point

That's one way of putting it.

Seems they made a complex CPU which requires a complex fix to make everything work the way they want to compete with Intel who is also introducing a similar setup with 10th Gen products.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15137/amd-clarifies-best-cores-vs-preferred-cores

There is downsides to go along with the benefits this way but giving the market for content creators is smaller then the market for users its understandable why they made the choice.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Trying to Decide on 2600x or 2700x/3600x Gaming"

  • 4 days ago
  • 2 points

Everything I have read says that the i5-6400 and the 1050Ti should run flawlessly but theres too often where she will be playing and then all of a sudden the cpu hits 100% or close, which would lead me to a heat issue if it weren't for the fact that this has even happened when shes just freshly turned it on. Most of the time a reboot fixes it and it won't come back but still..

If a reboot fixes it for a time it isn't the CPU being overloaded or a BIOS issue. That sounds like something running or trying to run sneakily in the background.

I would go for a full reset/reinstall of Windows and it wouldn't hurt to do a good cleaning of the system to make sure you don't have a dust build up causing thermal issues which isn't likely giving the symptoms.

Because your research is right a 6400+1050ti shouldn't have issues running that title with reduced settings at reasonable frame rates.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Are there shortages right now (especially RAM in Canada)?"

  • 4 days ago
  • 3 points

Memory manufacturers have ended a bunch of older production in favor of higher densities so they need less chips per given capacity.

So many older sku's which make up the majority of QVL qualified memory are disappearing.

Some of the newer sku's are seeing shortened supply from some contamination issues from a bad run of plates which isn't helping matters.

And to top it all off Canada's supply often comes through the U.S. who has placed tariffs on memory production coming from China which isn't helping the supply issues since manufacturers would rather sell somewhere they can make more profits.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Trying to Decide on 2600x or 2700x/3600x Gaming"

  • 4 days ago
  • 2 points

CPU hits 100% quite often, which causes frames to drop to 40fps (terrible). Settings aren't even set to high.

Game Played mostly is Rainbow 6 Siege.

Settings don't have much effect on CPU load and mostly only effect GPU performance.

That being said R6 is a terribly easy title to run for a CPU and even slower low end models like the 1200/2200G at stock can keep minimum frame rates over 60fps.

Its very likely you have something else using up system resources causing the slowdowns.

As for an upgrade go for a 2600+aftermarket cooler/2600X depending on which is cheaper, and save the extra to get a 1660 Super or RX 5700. Gaming performance levels off fast after the 2600/2600X and you end up spending a lot more for very little gain.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Streaming 3700X vs 2700X"

  • 4 days ago
  • 2 points

3700X gets treated almost as a 2-core/16-thread CPU by Windows, prioritizing a single pair of cores for all workloads.

For this reason the 2700X better handles multiple workloads like live streaming gameplay well recording with overlays with the CPU doing the work.

AMD took a hit in multitasking performance in order to boost single core performance trading strengths with this series.

Where the trade off switches benefits is when you drop to only a single task at a time like gaming with the GPU handling the workloads, just gaming, single use productivity, and similar.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "B450 for Gen 3 Ryzen"

  • 4 days ago
  • 1 point

They've been buying parts over time and asking some other questions recently.

https://pcpartpicker.com/forums/topic/335475-2700-vs-2700-x-vs-3600x

So I was cheating a little as well.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "B450 for Gen 3 Ryzen"

  • 5 days ago
  • 1 point

I do not own any other cpus.

Last line.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "B450 for Gen 3 Ryzen"

  • 5 days ago
  • 1 point

I baught my asus b450 motherboard on the 25th of December 2018. Will I have to update my motherboard bios before installing it?

Yes but your going to need a compatible CPU.

BIOS versions compatible with 3000 series were not released until earlier this year.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "worst chipset"

  • 5 days ago
  • 2 points

H310 is no different then any of the previous Hx10 boards or AMD's A320 or A6x, built cheap as possible for when users needed every possible penny cut from the cost.

Worst for something recently produced would be AMD's FM2/FM2+ A7x series which were pushed as media focused but in practice cost the same as an A8x which had two more Sata ports giving more options for media.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "3600x and motherboards"

  • 5 days ago
  • 4 points

If I were to use a 3600X, how well could I stream?

Depends on the settings. And CPU or GPU handling the workload.

CPU not great especially for the money, a 2700/2700X would be a better and cheaper option.

Because of the changes to Windows Ryzen scheduling it isn't much if any of an upgrade from a 2600/2600X because all the workload is prioritized onto two alternating cores.

The older models are not hampered by the newer scheduling style and can actively make use of all cores.

GPU it's effect is limited to the baseline frame rates.

What is the difference streaming on a 3700x to a 3600x?

In theory two more cores to handle higher quality settings.

Problem with the theory is the scheduling uses the same number of priority cores on both the 3600X and 3700X, so like above when the CPU is handling the workload it isn't an upgrade from the older 2700/2700X.

Also, does pcie 4.0 offer any frame difference to 3.0 on the 5700xt?

No.

Should one just go with a beefy b450 for the 3600X?

There are no "Beefy" B450 available that can be guaranteed 3000 series ready out of box but all can be updated for compatibility. And the one model that does qualify as "Beefy" (MSI's Gaming Pro Carbon) is more then an entry level X570 which are generally a better option all-round.

Giving the current market I would ignore the 3600X its performance doesn't justify its downsides or cost.

CPU streaming wise its cheaper and better to go with a 2700/2700X.

GPU streaming wise a 2600/2600X/9400F/2700X all allow more money to be spent elsewhere in the build for a small frame rate loss, but the money saved allows you to make the jump to a NVidia card which is both better and less buggy for streaming then a 5700XT.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Amd vs intel"

  • 5 days ago
  • 0 points

I would drop to a $160'ish motherboard and up the CPU to a 3700X/3800X/3900X.

There is zero overclocking headroom for uses like gaming with Ryzen so the only way to get more out of it is adding more cores to offload work onto.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 7 3700x tweaking advice"

  • 5 days ago
  • 1 point

They are in a way but the how also brings its own downsides.

It does keep the majority of workload within a single CCX per CCD, but all of that workload is prioritized to two cores which alternate to keep thermals down.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15137/amd-clarifies-best-cores-vs-preferred-cores

So unless your going to assign core affinity for every process on the PC that tweaking aspect is no longer viable.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2500x and 2700x coolers."

  • 6 days ago
  • 2 points

It will limit boost clocks.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Overclocking disappointment!"

  • 6 days ago
  • 2 points

Parts these days are not being shipped underclocked so they have overclocking headroom.

AMD CPU/GPU and NVidia GPU are being pushed as far as can realistically be done with stock settings.

Intel to a small part still leaves some tuning headroom but even that is shrinking with each generation.

Even memory in the newest batches is seeing limited headroom.

The days of sinking the better part of a week into a build tuning everything but seeing major gains at the end are dead, now its mid-high single digit gains for the lost time.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which way do the fans blow?"

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

They are not mounted as it ships so you can set them up however you want.

Looks wise you want them blowing into the radiator to get the best RGB viewing.

Usability wise I prefer to have the fans pulling air through the radiator for easy dust cleaning.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Amd vs intel"

  • 6 days ago
  • 1 point

If you're looking at a $250-$260 for both the motherboard and CPU both are out of reach.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/products/compare/28qhP6,MBMwrH,3WYLrH,9nm323/

That's how much your spending on the CPU alone.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "R7 1700 OC to 3.7 with stock cooler?"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

It's going to depend on how much voltage is needed at that speed.

Depending on the workloads disabling SMT will allow lower temperatures without impacting performance.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 7 3700x tweaking advice"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

You can't really with how AMD changed boost and Windows scheduling, stock performance already automatically pulls as much as can be safely pulled from the CPU.

Sadly the only tweaking/tuning CPU left are all Intel.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What Ryzen"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

They listed figures with mid range GPU's which are more likely to be a limiting factor.

Looking at reviews using more powerful graphics cards at similar settings would remove much of that graphics limitation, but in those reviews we see closer results then what the GPUcheck listed.

The results from that site can not be correct if the performance difference is smaller with a more capable graphics card.

So the site is deliberately or unknowingly biasing the results with the mid-range cards.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Are gaming chairs good for programmer?"

  • 7 days ago
  • 7 points

Gaming chairs are good nowhere.

They are built for looks not comfort.

You want a chair built for use if your going to use it, so look for an executive office chair which is built for people who sit in them all day.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What Ryzen"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

See above and remember.

You have to be careful these days which influencers you pay attention to as many will tweak the testing methodology to suit there desired outcome either by omitting tests or hardware configuration advantages.

Always validate figures elsewhere.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What Ryzen"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

The real Ryzen price/performance for gaming champ is a R5 3600. It's 12% faster on average than a 2700X

Might want to find a new source for figures even at 720p with a 2080ti there isn't that large of a difference.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-5-3600/14.html

1080p

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-3600-review,6287-11.html

Increasing resolution from 720p or downgrading the GPU is only going make those figures closer.

You have to be careful these days which influencers you pay attention to as many will tweak the testing methodology to suit there desired outcome either by omitting tests or hardware configuration advantages.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What Ryzen"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

Prices on all the 3000 series are too high giving how little of an upgrade they are from 2000 which has been massively cut down in prices.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help choosing a Motherboard"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

I would look at the ATX sized version of that board since the MATX is actually smaller then MATX so will look funny.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Motherboard MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $99.99 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $99.99
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-29 09:30 EST-0500

MAX boards feature out of box support for the first models of the 3000 series as well so no updates are needed.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "What Ryzen"

  • 7 days ago
  • 1 point

Depends on budget you have to work with.

For the money though it's hard to ignore the 2700 since your paying double+ for the 3700X/3800X and not getting all that much more performance.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Are Driver issues on the 5700xt's really that bad?"

  • 7 days ago
  • 2 points

Drivers are mostly fixed.

There are still some issues with the cards failing to display intermittently, failing to wake, and stuttering with HDR.

Those should all be fixable with drivers.

Software package issues for ReLive, performance monitoring, Chill, Enhanced Sync, and control panel should be fixed sooner or later.

Hardware though is poor and getting worse the more its looked at.

Cards crashing the system (Blue Screen of Death) is poor quality control on both AMD and board partners parts letting bad product ship, since it is fixed by swapping to another card.

So if you get one test so it can be returned if faulty ASAP.

Issues like stuttering at high frame rates (180+) even with Freesync is hardware, swap cards same issue, update drivers same issue.

AMD has now relisted the issue to anything 1080p@low settings, but it also occurs at higher resolution and the same frame rates.

Faults with compute handling is architecture, swap to another Radeon card series and the faults disappear.

Researching if Navi has issues in your uses is the best bet.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NVMe or a Normal SSD for Gaming?"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

With how the current prices are I wouldn't bother with anything under 480/500gb and would suggest getting 960gb/1tb.

Having more fast storage has never been an issue but running out is.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "NVMe or a Normal SSD for Gaming?"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

Doesn't matter much really.

Where the NVME should be significantly faster like actually installing the games network limitations void most of it.

Load times are more software limited between both.

Only time NVME has a solid advantage is when the OS is installed on the same drive, the extra bandwidth can come into play with multiple things accessing the drive at the same time where Sata drives would slow down.

I would go with one just because seconds saved are seconds saved and it gets you gaming faster for pretty much the same money.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "B450 Gaming Carbon AC bios flashback"

  • 8 days ago
  • 2 points

Once you have that sticker it will work with any of the launch Ryzen, the only models you would likely have to update for are the Athlon 300 series and 3950X.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "X570 Taichi and M.2 heatsink"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

You can't use both heatsinks, all the Taichi's M.2 have covers.

So you would have to remove any covers off of the SSD with that board.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "B450 Gaming Carbon AC bios flashback"

  • 8 days ago
  • 2 points

So I just received my mobo and saw that there was a sticker saying "AMD Ryzen 3000 desktop ready". Does that mean I can just install my 3600x without any problems?

Yup.

Or do I still need to update the bios.

Nope.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Which"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

5700XT good performance for the money if you get a card that isn't faulty and in titles that it works properly.

2060 Super, 2070 tend to trade blows in gaming or fall slightly behind on average, anything that can make use of the compute of the cards though they offer a pretty significant advantage over the 5700XT.

2070 Super is generally better performance but at a higher price.

I would honestly avoid the 5700 series at this point, hardware and driver issues are still happening, I don't think this hasn't happened for this long after launch ever with AMD since they took over ATI.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Ryzen 5 2600 or 2600X graphic card ?"

  • 8 days ago
  • 2 points

Both CPU need graphics cards.

What option would best suit you depends on what your doing with the PC.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "2700 VS 2700 X VS 3600X"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

I would go for a 2700X and swap the 5700XT for a 2070 Super it saves you a little money over the 3600+5700XT and avoids the current and continuing 5700XT issues.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
CPU AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor $189.99 @ Amazon Canada
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard Purchased For $120.00
Memory Team T-Force Delta RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory Purchased For $83.00
Storage Samsung 860 Evo 250 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $70.00
Storage Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $65.00
Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB VENTUS OC Video Card $649.00 @ Canada Computers
Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $99.99 @ Newegg Canada
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA G3 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply Purchased For $80.00
Wireless Network Adapter Gigabyte GC-WB867D-I PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter $44.99 @ Memory Express
Case Fan Fractal Design HF14-BK 118.2 CFM 140 mm Fan $26.99 @ Canada Computers
Case Fan Fractal Design HF14-BK 118.2 CFM 140 mm Fan $26.99 @ Canada Computers
Monitor ViewSonic XG2402 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor $199.99 @ Amazon Canada
Custom DEEPCOOL GAMMAXX GT, Black Top Cover, CPU Air Cooler, Motherboard Sync, RGB Top Cover and Fan, Cable Or Motherboard Control Supported, 4 Heatpipes, 120mm RGB Fan, Universal Socket Solution $39.99 @ Amazon Canada
Custom EZDIY-FAB 120mm Dual Frame RGB PWM Fans for Computer Case,Addressable RGB Case Fan with Fan Hubs,CPU Cooling Fan,5V ARGB 3 pin Motherboard Sync,Compatible with ASUS Aura Sync-3 Pack $42.99 @ Amazon Canada
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1738.92
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-28 13:59 EST-0500

Comment reply on Forum Topic "the msi b450 tomahawk max"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

According to the compatibility listing from MSI on the product webpage No.

If you call MSI customer service they refer you to the compatibility list on the website for what CPU and APU work on the board.

A ton of people say it is/should be but everyone one of those people so far hasn't actually worked with the combo so they don't actually know.

Why Not? Probably to force sales of older models which are still in production and showing up on shelves with 3000 series ready stickers I think.

Best bet would be giving what MSI is saying work with one of the boards which does show compatibility.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Motherboard MSI B450 Gaming Plus MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $109.99 @ Canada Computers
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $109.99
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-28 13:45 EST-0500

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B450-GAMING-PLUS-MAX#support-cpu

So you don't end up making a mistake that MSI and the retailer won't work with you on.

Let alone you can get better quality boards for less then the Tomahawk MAX.

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Motherboard MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard $134.99 @ Newegg Canada
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $134.99
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-28 13:53 EST-0500

Or Asus's Strix

PCPartPicker Part List

Type Item Price
Motherboard Asus ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard $139.99 @ Memory Express
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $139.99
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-28 13:55 EST-0500

Comment reply on Forum Topic "r5 3600 stock cooler"

  • 8 days ago
  • 1 point

Taller heatsink but the same base issue of core placement.

You get better overall performance by getting a 3600+$20 tower cooler then getting a 3600X with all else being equal between the poor cooler for the package design and low thermal throttling point.

With how AMD separates processors now you are not even guaranteed to get more then one better core on the 3600X.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "r5 3600 stock cooler"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

Wraith Stealth was always aluminum from 1400-3600 and everything in between.

Spire was changed in third generation to a solid aluminum, but the copper core was meaningless since the heat load isn't under it on the 3000 series, all it did was allow slightly faster heat transference to the far side of the cooler.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "r5 3600 stock cooler"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

2700/2700X both come with better coolers, stream better, and are generally cheaper.

On the new Ryzen cores are not centered so the sunflower coolers don't work well as only a small part of them are actually getting rid of heat, the rest of it is cooling the IHS-I/O block which doesn't really help as much.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How much faster is a 2080 ti vs quad 2080 ti sli?"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

SLI is restricted now to two cards.

And sees very little optimization from developers so scaling is poor and getting worse.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "CPU+ MOBO combo question"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

Yah one I don't have a history on, the other two one they swore never had more then 1.35v before it started going squirrelly, the other was on a A320 but the memory controller started degrading and I couldn't get it working, I suspect they were running the memory at or over 1.35v for awhile.

Could have been worse between the three I almost broke even after parting out everything.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "CPU+ MOBO combo question"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

That's been happening a lot.

Been burned on three in a row.

Edited in a handful more links with information stretching across the changes AMD has been rolling out.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "CPU+ MOBO combo question"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

Will this setup work?

Yes.

Will precision boost be able to get it to 4.4 or close?

Depends on the BIOS version and local thermals.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/20.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-agesa-abba-boost-clock-fix-performance-ryzen-3900x/

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ryzen-3000-liquid-nitrogen-boost-clock,6359.html

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-boost-frequency-bios-fix-agesa,40359.html

And doesn't matter really with how AMD has changed binning and boost.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/15137/amd-clarifies-best-cores-vs-preferred-cores

Focus instead on if its performance is good enough for your goals or if you set your goals to high.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

Let's put this in perspective, then.

Okay.

People aren't going to be loading up their new BIOS in a year's time and breaking them this way. If it was even possible, there'd be a giant notification on the BIOS download page.

People have been doing just that since the BIOS version removed support for Bristol Ridge because nobody notices.

If it was even possible, there'd be a giant notification on the BIOS download page.

And they buy the cheap AM4 to update then wonder why they have a black screen. Why? because of this.

I mentioned it might be interesting as a possible upgrade path for a budget conscious hardware enthusiast who might have some extra cash next year?

Budget minded people try to avoid spending more then needed and often end up spending more because they cheaped out in the first place.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

Bottom line: Has AMD released a BIOS that break compatibility with an older gen on a newer board?

Yes that is why they had to stop using Bristol Ridge APU for the boot kit.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How much RAM should an average motherboard have?"

  • 9 days ago
  • 2 points

8gb is minimum these days and is low enough to cause issues in some titles.

Giving current prices 16gb isn't very much more and the best bet.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Cpu Decision"

  • 9 days ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, like I suspected, this literally has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting in buying a 2600

What your point was.

For “future proofing,” I honestly thing the best thing to do right now is buy a Ryzen 5 2600/3600 with an X570 Motherboard and wait for Zen 3 to come out and upgrade to a Ryzen 9 at that point.

What I posted.

If AMD sacrifices second generation to keep room for fixes/optimization like they did with first generation the 2600 wouldn't work in that scenario.

Its questionable if the scenario can even work giving they are already giving up an entire generation, and that is not unlikely to continue with AMD launching newer Athlon since then and new APU soon before they launch Ryzen 3.

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