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Comment reply on Laceyn56's Completed Build: $800 Gaming PC Revised

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Is that a litter box for your cat?

Oh, kickass value PC by the way :) doesn't get much better for that price point

Comment reply on R53Deviant's Completed Build: Worth the Wait | First-time Ryzen Build

  • 33 months ago
  • 1 point

Good gracious, how did you get the motherboard so cheap?

Beautiful build and clear, crisp pictures to do it justice. +1

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Build any thoughts?"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Just one thing - sketchy lookin' SSD. It's a better idea to buy the PNY CS1311: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfmP6/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311120rb

Comment reply on Aphrenedge's Completed Build: *Zero Suit Samus* - Lian Li 1080 TI Wall Mounted Build

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Great looking build, love the setup. Dark Samus approves.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My Dream Rig"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Why two CPU coolers? Why two tubes of thermal paste? Why two mice? Why not the GTX 1080 Ti at this price point? I'm assuming the word "budget" means nothing to you, so why not get the NZXT Kraken X62? One or two GTX 1080 Ti cards could also power a widescreen 1440p display at 144Hz if you're into that.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Time Build Attempt"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Really, not much reason. Skylake motherboards can be cheaper, and sometimes the processors are too (dependent on retailers and sales mostly), but there's no real reason to stick Skylake unless you absolutely need to run Windows 7 or Windows 8.

I kept the original Skylake CPU because there really isn't anything wrong with it. If the OP is ok with Windows 10, then the i5-7400 / i5-7500 would definitely be options on the table.

Comment reply on joseph500's Completed Build: The Death Star

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

+1 Just for the story lol

Oh yeah, nice budget build too. This is going to scare the socks off those pesky rebels.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "First Time Build Attempt"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

I tweaked the build a little bit to optimize it: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nzWnKZ

Intel stock heatsinks come with thermal paste pre-applied, so don't worry about buying a separate tube.

For the most part, RAM is RAM. You can stick with HyperX if you want to, but I selected a cheaper single stick of 8GB of RAM.

The PNY CS1311 is a bit faster for the exact same price. I put it in the stead of the SanDisk SSD Plus.

The GTX 1050 ti is a bit lacking at 1080p gaming, so with the few dollars saved elsewhere I put $20 into the GPU and selected an MSI RX 470 GPU. It's a little bit more money for some helpful gaming power.

I also switched out the PSU with a nicer, 80+ gold PSU from SeaSonic.

In total, my changes add $15 to the parts list. You could save $10 by getting the CXM 550 instead of the G550 PSU, or you could get a cheap non-modular PSU for $45 or so from EVGA. I'm guessing since you chose the S340 case, though, that you don't want your interior to look too messy :P

Comment reply on juannyboy12's Completed Build: Karl

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Cool build, I like your setup too! I can't help but recommend the RX 480 if you plan to take full advantage of that monitor. It will be compatible with FreeSync and it can reach that 144 Hz refresh rate in some games, even if you have to tweak the video settings. (With older or less demanding games, like Minecraft, it'd be easy)

I plan on buying that monitor myself and pairing it with an RX 480. I'm glad to hear the monitor is working well so far, and I hope it looks even better once you get a dedicated GPU!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Final draft on my Second Build"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

The 850 EVO is the best 2.5" SSD that you could choose, but the Force MP500 is a worthy contender in the NVMe M.2 family of drives. http://ssd.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Samsung-850-Evo-250GB-vs-Corsair-Force-MP500-NVMe-PCIe-M2-120GB/2977vsm221057

Your build looks good, but I also suggest you go with the G2 power supply over the NEX. I'll leave it to you to decide between the SSDs.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is this build good? I want an i7 and gtx 1080. My max budget is about $120. Any suggestions?"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

You must be trying to save a bit of money by opting for the non-k variant. Why, then, did you add an aftermarket cooler? Non-K and non-X CPUs come with a cooler from intel, so there's no reason to buy another one unless it breaks.

Er, do you plan to use the PC at all? I see no RAM in the parts list! :P

I say remove the Hyper 212 EVO, then add 8GB of RAM if this is a gaming build and 8 GB more if it's a productivity build.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "GPU help"

  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

One GTX 1080ti is a far better option. For less money you get more performance and reliability (not all games support multi-GPU scaling, or simply not well)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Trying to build a friend a $200 build"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Pentium G4560 is a way better processor, and its integrated graphics are competitive with the R7 integrated into the A8-7600. http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-G4560-vs-AMD-A8-7600-APU/3892vsm14050 http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-630-Desktop-Kaby-Lake-vs-AMD-Radeon-R7-Graphics/m178724vsm8791

Follow the pattern of the builds posted here by other people, pairing the G4560 with a 200 series motherboard, adding 4GB of RAM, a cheap 250 / 320 GB hard drive, a cheap Zalman case, and a really cheapo 400W 80+ certified PSU.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Last time, I promise!"

  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

At that budget, I highly recommend upping the CPU to an i5-7500. For $10-$20 more, you get a 400 MHz boost, which will help in gaming performance.

Your case comes with two fans - one in the front and one in the rear. That's really all you need. You'll be fine without buying extra fans.

Also, that's one of the best mice and one of the best keyboards you could possibly buy. If that's your budget for peripherals, you've done good.

Comment reply on Erock14's Completed Build: Ryzen Shine

  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

Beautiful case, excellent build, killer hardware! How's that Ryzen processor doing so far? Has it given you any trouble? Is it working ok with windows 10?

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help please"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

When my friend built his new PC recently, he ordered from amazon and SuperBiiz. All of his items had arrived in just over a week and he was ready to build. You don't need to worry about how many sites you order from - rather, the reputation of the sites you order from. I've heard only bad things about B&H's business practices and service, so I'd stay clear of them. SuperBiiz is entirely different - sometimes shipping is a few days slower than amazon's or newegg's, but otherwise I'd feel comfortable ordering from them, just like my friend did. His CPU and his case were ordered from SuperBiiz. The CPU came in three days, and the case came in ten.

As for your actual parts list, grab a different SSD - the PNY CS1311 is better for the same general price: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfmP6/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311120rb

Are you gaming at 1440p 144Hz or at 4K 60Hz? The GTX 1080 is a monster graphics card, and it seems odd that you paired it with the i5-7500. You should be gaming at 1440p or 4K to justify the GTX 1080.

Comment reply on AceTakerV8's Completed Build: Bleakrock

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Nice budget build! What kind of games do you play and what framerates do you achieve? I'd be interested to hear how this build's doing for you.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming/Editing Beast FINAL CHECKS"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

My only complaint is the processor. You can do a bit better for a gaming PC. I recommend the i5-7400 or the i5-7500 - both of them have higher clock speeds, and your already purchased motherboard supports these newer processors. https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/product/qnM323/intel-core-i5-7400-30ghz-quad-core-processor-bx80677i57400

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Gaming PC for 1000$"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Go to the top-left corner of the page and look below where it says "Current Part List". Copy the permalink and paste it here so we can see your build.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "How Well Will this be able to game"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

At 1080p, you'll have to turn settings down in some games to achieve smooth 60 fps, such as in GTA V or Battlefield. The processor is a great choice for a gaming PC, but if you don't want to have to touch video settings you should look at the Radeon RX 480 or GeForce GTX 1060.

On a budget, the GTX 1050 Ti is perfectly fine - just don't expect 60FPS in ultra on all new games at 1080p.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Opinions on first build ever?"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

I think you should wait for the launch of Ryzen 5. The R5 1600 will retail at the same price as the i5-6600K, $220. The R5 1600 has 6 cores and 12 threads, way more than the 4 cores and 4 threads on the 6600K. You can overclock the 1600 to get some juice out of it and make it comparable in single-core performance to the 6600K. (Somewhat theoretical - we haven't seen actual reviewer overclocks or benchmarks yet)

The Cryorig H7 is a better cooler for just $5 more. The C7 is designed for tight cases, and it's much louder and not as efficient as the H7. Your case can fit it, so I would fork over the extra $5 for more cooling power and silence. Cryorig does offer AM4 brackets to customers, if you want to use this with Ryzen.

Also, 3GB of VRAM is very little for 1080p gaming. I suggest buying the RX 480 4GB, RX 480 8GB, or the GTX 1060 6GB.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New PC builder. Need help on clearance issues"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Here's a more low-profile cooler with a height of 110mm. It's a bit cheaper, but its performance should be comparable to the R1 Ultimate. http://pcpartpicker.com/product/8pgPxr/noctua-cpu-cooler-nhd9l

Comment reply on Forum Topic "New PC builder. Need help on clearance issues"

  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

This case is compatible with all sizes of motherboards...check

Maximum GPU length is 370mm, GPU selection length is 241mm...check

Supports normal ATX power supplies, like the one you selected...check

Maximum CPU cooler height is 170mm, CPU cooler height is 168.3mm...check

You might actually encounter problems with the CPU cooler. Theoretically, it should have about 2mm of clearance, so you're good to go, although I'd be worried myself.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Help with computer tower"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

For starters, you need to make sure the case supports your motherboard. Most mini towers and mid towers support MicroATX motherboards, such as the one in your list. You can check the case specifications on newegg to see exactly what mobo sizes the case supports.

You also need to make sure the graphics card will fit in the case - some smaller cases won't be compatible with longer GPUs, like the ASUS ROG series. Again, the size specs and supported GPU length can be found on the item's newegg listing.

And finally, make sure the CPU cooler fits in the case. Like everything else, you can compare the height of the CPU cooler with the maximum supported CPU cooler height listed on the case's specs sheet.

Just noticed you have an optical drive - also make sure the case has at least 1 5.25" bay for that, or you'll need an external USB optical drive.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "$800 mini itx gaming pc"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

At the $800 budget, your best CPU and GPU pairing choice would be the core i5-6500 with the Radeon RX 480 4GB. Some games may cap out the 4GB of RAM on the RX 480. If you plan to play some of those games, you might want to fork over the extra $50 or so for the RX 480 8GB. Besides Watch Dogs 2, which on Ultra exceeded my friend's available 4GB of VRam, I can't tell you about any games like that.

On the other hand, you could wait for the Ryzen 5 lineup to launch. The R5 1400 looks like a great contender - running at 3.2 - 3.4 GHz, close to the i5-6500, the R5 1400 is a quad core with SMT (AMD's version of intel's hyperthreading technology) and has an unlocked multiplier so you can crank up that clock speed. The downside is being restricted to running Linux and Windows 10 on Ryzen, whereas skylake supports Windows 7 and 8. The best part is that it costs about $20-$30 less than the i5-6500 and comes with a stock Wraith cooler. It's more for less, unless you don't want to be forced to run Windows 10 or Linux.

For a budget monitor, take a look at this 21.5" 1080p IPS panel with a 7ms response time from HP: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/hhkwrH/hp-monitor-22cwa

Alternatively, here's the monitor I'm using right now - It's a 24" 1080p TN panel with a 2ms response time from BenQ: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/mWV48d/benq-monitor-gl2460hm

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Real Close to Purchase"

  • 35 months ago
  • 3 points

I disagree with a few of your part choices. Western Digital Caviar Blue hard drives are much more reliable than Toshiba's lineup. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MwW9TW/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex

The Kingston SSD is not the best for the money. The PNY CS1311 is the same price, but it's much faster. http://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfmP6/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311120rb

I recommend the EVGA supernova G2 over the NEX. It's a much higher quality PSU for $20 more. Alternatively, for just $10 more than the NEX, you could get the Seasonic G550.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1 http://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm

Comment reply on Forum Topic "budget gaming build , WHITE"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

The motherboard is ok for a budget motherboard. The SSD is alright too, although I can't help but link you to the Samsung 850 EVO. For a bit more cash, you get a lot more performance: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/3kL7YJ/samsung-internal-hard-drive-mz75e250bam

On a side note, the Hyper 212 EVO is unnecessary. The i5-7500 comes with a stock cooler. If you want to go for a more silent build, then you should consider the Hyper 212 EVO. Don't worry about temperatures so much, though, because you won't be overclocking a non K CPU.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Opinions Wanted $2500 build"

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Truly a kickass PC! My only recommendation is to get the GTX 1080ti over the SLI 1080s. It's a far better value, and you don't ever have to worry about multi GPU scaling issues in games. Plus, you save about $450 or so!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dWkzjc

In this list, I replaced the two 1080s with a Zotac 1080ti and I switched out the PSU for a 750W Supernova G2 because 1050 watts is overkill for a single GPU - single CPU system.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Need advice for my first gaming rig: own build or ebay offer?"

  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

Wow, he's selling that on eBay for how much? You should definitely look into the PC he's selling. It's superior to the list you came up with in every way, and it's roughly the same cost.

If the eBay item doesn't work out, you might want to consider a GTX 1070 anyway for a smoother 1440p performance. The RX480 will show noticeable lack of power at 1440p, although it's a killer for 1080p. Downside is how much more expensive the 1070 is compared to the RX480.

If you do get the PC from eBay, I'd be worried about the power supply myself. 400 watts just barely scrapes by with that machine. Of course, since he lives near you, you have the chance to see it in person and verify that it works ok.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Build Input"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Oh yeah, the PNY CS1311 is a solid SSD. So long as you're not one of the minority who receives a defective unit, the CS1311 should last you a while.

The backplate will help add a nicer appearance to the card, possibly protect it from dust or a leak in water cooling loops, and helps a bit with heat dissipation. Backplates are a "nice to have" and nothing you should worry about too much, but since the Sapphire Nitro RX 480 is such a good card, it has a backplate, and it's the same price as the ASUS card at newegg, I recommended it. http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2593248/require-backplate-graphics-card.html

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is this a good build?"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

It's adequate. You might consider going for a 500W or 550W PSU to have some breathing room.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Is this a good build?"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Very good looking budget build! This will be able to play those games at 1080p 60FPS at High - Ultra settings.

Before someone complains about the i5-7400, its performance is identical to the skylake i5-6500, yet the i5-7400 costs $10-$20 less. The only downside to my knowledge is Kaby Lake lacks support for versions of Windows older than 10.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Your Opinions Please!"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

I'd recommend the Seasonic G550 because overall its a better quality power supply than the CXM 550: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm

That's it though, everything else looks good to go!

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Build Input"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

There's only one notable problem with the build - that SSD. Yes, the Samsung 850 EVO is the best consumer-grade SSD (excluding NVMe M.2 drives like the 960 EVO, which are far more expensive), but for some reason the 120GB model of the 850 EVO is poorly priced. For a mere $6 more you could buy the 250GB model of the 850 EVO.

If you want to save money, go for the PNY CS1311 120GB. Alternatively, spend $6 more and get the same SSD with twice the capacity at a far better value. PNY CS1311 120GB: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/RzfmP6/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311120rb

Everything else looks ok. I could nitpick - I would prefer a semi-modular power supply of 500W for that build, and I'd opt for the Sapphire Nitro RX 480 4GB because it has a backplate to support the card. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/v9PzK8/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-4gb-nitro-d5-oc-video-card-11260-13

Comment reply on benn.0rg's Completed Build: $900 First Time Build

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

I dig the blue glow. I'm sad there's only one picture though :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "My first Pc build"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

What's the purpose of the build? Gaming? Productivity? Streaming? What resolution do you plan to game at? What's your budget? I'm guessing the budget has to include a monitor, OS, headset, and keyboard, correct?

There are no "flashing red lights" about this build right now, although you might be able to save money based on what you want to do. This build looks designed for 1440p gaming and productivity.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Final Thoughts on my First Build"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

That's a cool looking build! Oh wait, that's mine.

Towards the top of your list, underneath "Current Part List", there's a "Permalink". Please give us that so we can actually see your build :) The link you provided will appear different to everyone because it actually shows THEIR WIP build, not yours. The permalink is used for sharing.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Pc Opinion for gaming pls"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Build #2 has a sligtly inferior processor, but the graphics card is far more powerful. If you MUST choose between these two builds, then evaluate whether you'll be playing games that need more CPU power or more GPU power. The second build is more suitable for GPU demanding titles, because the GTX 1060 is a hefty 1080p GPU, a lot more powerful than the 1050ti.

The i5-4460 isn't much worse than the i5-7500 though. If you absolutely must have either build #1 or build #2, build #2 may server you better. The small difference in CPU performance is overshadowed by the large difference in GPU performance.

I recommend building a brand new rig, of course, with an i5-7500 / i5-6500 and the GTX 1060 / RX 480 for the optimal experience. I'm guessing you're forced to choose between the two builds you listed.

Comment reply on Superxpdude's Completed Build: Rebuild March 2017

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

I laughed at the LTT fans, nice touch :D

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Last opinions before buying"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Everything looks good to go! If you want to save $27, you don't need the C7 cooler. Locked intel processors come with their own cooler, so you don't need to buy an aftermarket cooler. The extra cooling power won't benefit you unless you're overclocking, and neither the i5-7500 nor the B250 chipset support that.

That's a very good budget build. The C7 is unnecessary, but otherwise you're ready to roll! :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Any opinions on this build? Could use it"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

What's the build for? Gaming? Can I assume that?

The FX-6300 is an old CPU and has aged poorly. Your money is better spent on a core i3 or a Pentium, not an FX processor. If you want to put some more money into the build, you could get a core i5 or wait for Ryzen 5 to come out and look at the cheaper options of that lineup.

The RX 470 is not the best card, of course, but it's just what you need for 1080p 60Hz gaming.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "I could use some help/advice"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

It's probably best to start a new thread in a new topic section for advice. I know zilch about overclocking, so I can't help, but there are people in the CPU forum section who can :P

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Second opinion on build"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

That's a pretty well-rounded build overall; nonetheless, I would make a few minor changes.

You don't need an aftermarket cooler for that CPU; being a locked intel CPU, it comes with its own stock cooler that cools the processor well enough. Unless you have overheating issues with the finished product (which is unlikely), you won't need an aftermarket cooler for that CPU. Save $20.

Good choice on the SSD! I couldn't recommend anything else. The 850 EVO is a champ!

Also a good graphics card choice. The RX 480 is one of the best price / performance cards on the market, and that particular card from Sapphire is solid. Some people have issues with Radeon cards causing bluescreens or crashes - just install the latest drivers ASAP and you should be ok.

The only major change I'd make is to change the PSU. The Corsair CXM series have some build quality issues, as exposed by Johnny Guru. If you like, you could spend the $20 you were going to spend on the cooler instead on a nicer [power supply from SeaSonic] (https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm) That said, the PSU is ok, but the SeaSonic G550 is a little nicer for a little more.

Comment reply on dinoking's Completed Build: My First Build Ever - Will be upgrading parts in the future.

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Beautiful build! I'm a big fan of the lighting, both in the case and in the room. I noticed the SSD in the photos seems to be an 840 EVO though, not an 850 EVO. What's up with that?

Comment reply on mulletparty's Completed Build: Ryzen

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Important question - do you plan to overclock at all? Even with the stock cooler you could get a little more mph from the CPU.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "new system build"

  • 36 months ago
  • 2 points

I can't find any information on the max cooler height allowed in that case. The closest information I could find was on their website, where they said the case was compatible with "low profile coolers" like the stock 27mm tall air coolers that come with locked intel processors. I can't answer that question, unfortunately.

Maybe you could measure yourself how much clearance there is between the CPU itself and the top of the case. From there you could probably determine whether the TX3 would fit. Actually, you could just measure the clearance between your existing cooler and the top of the case. I imagine you've got a stock intel cooler on your i3-4130t, which should be 27mm in height.

Also, I didn't notice you listed a motherboard ugprade. oops :)

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Building My first Gaming/Youtube Videos PC"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Good processor choice. If you overclock it, it should hold up to what you need it to do. For your purposes, the premium cost of the i7 is probably not worth it.

However, The Cryorig H7 is a better cooler choice for $35. Check it out: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/93Crxr/cryorig-cpu-cooler-h7

RAM is pricey because of the high speed, but it will work with your ASUS Z170-A.

You could also save money by going for the RX 480 4GB, even if you spring for MSI's Gaming X variant, but I'll leave that to you.

And finally, no, aftermarket coolers do NOT come with thermal paste. If you don't have some on hand, you'll need to buy a tube yourself.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "new system build"

  • 36 months ago
  • 1 point

Sorry, but the i7-7700K uses a different socket than the Gigabyte H97N-Wifi. Your board has the LGA 1150 socket, but the i7-7700K uses the LGA 1151 socket. You'll need to buy a new motherboard with a Z270 chipset to use the new CPU.

On top of that, the 7700K has a TDP 3 times greater than that of your i3-4130t. You should also buy a new PSU, with at least a wattage of 350W.

You might just want to make a new build altogether, because your RAM won't work on the new motherboard either. You're most likely using DDR3 right now because the i3-4130t does not support DDR4. The new motherboard you need for the new CPU requires new RAM, and you'll need a new PSU to power the new CPU. The only things left to re-use are storage drives and the case, which seems awfully cramped...

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Can you explain video cards?"

  • 36 months ago
  • 2 points

If you buy an intel processor, no, you do not need a dedicated GPU. The GPU integrated into your processor is perfectly suitable for watching videos and playing light games. (AMD APUs do have integrated graphics, like the A series and Athlon chips. Ryzen is not an APU and does not have onboard graphics)

The only reason you would need a dedicated graphics card is if you plan to play newer games. Integrated graphics on a modern intel processor will allow you to play lots of old games with decent framerates at 900p - 1080p. My old Toshiba Laptop has an AMD A6-5200. The integrated graphics in this chip are far worse than what intel's got in their newer processors. Even so, I can get 30+ FPS in Minecraft at 900 / 1080p with OptiFine at what I would call "high" settings. I also play a ton of quake-based shooters, where I maintain 60 FPS.

Integrated graphics suffer in newer, more graphically demanding games. I tried to run the Doom 2016 demo on my laptop. I had about 5 FPS in the menu, 2 second input lag, and I never really got into the gameplay itself. The intro sequence was crawling along like a snail, lagging behind the audio. The audio for the intro was done before the intro had really begun!

"What card would be a step up from the on board?" AMD's RX 460 2GB. It's about $100 USD, and it's a huge improvement over integrated graphics. It's a budget 1080p gaming card, nothing more. It'll let you play tons of games at 1080p with 60 FPS, although you'll probably have to adjust video settings.

"What would be half way between a super duper gaming card and the on board jobby?" By "super duper card" i'll assume you mean GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 - $250-$380 graphics cards. If you want to play newer, graphically demanding games on the cheap, the RX 460 2GB is the best buy at $100. The steps up would be the GTX 1050, GTX 1050ti, GTX 1060 / RX 480, and from there the cards are so powerful you can only justify their purchase by pairing them with a 1440p monitor or a high-refresh rate 1080p monitor.

TL;DR - I spent too long explaining that you don't need a dedicated GPU unless you want to play some graphically demanding games. The GPU in your CPU is enough to play older games.

Comment reply on Forum Topic "Any advice?"

  • 36 months ago
  • 3 points

Your CPU and GPU pair will put out 60+ fps in a large number of titles, not just less demanding games like Dota or something. (Not entirely sure what you're referring to when you say "strategic games") If you're looking to lower the cost, you could buy a GTX 1050 ti instead of the RX 480. It's weaker, but it'll still give you smooth uninterrupted 60 FPS at ultra settings in less demanding games and you'll still be able to play more demanding ones at Normal - Ultra settings, depending on the game.

However, you need a 200-series chipset for that Kaby Lake CPU to work properly. 100 series motherboards require a BIOS update before they will work with Kaby Lake processors, and for the BIOS update you need a Skylake chip. MSI has made that exact motherboard with the H270 chipset: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c8yxFT/

The RAM is also overpriced, as Kingston RAM usually is from my experience. Take a look at G.Skill Aegis, Crucial, or Corsair Vengeance LPX. All you need to do with RAM is get the cheapest compatible kit with your capacity of choice. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/YRvZxr/gskill-memory-f42133c15s8gis

The power supply is also insufficient. 350W is barely enough for the build. I recommend a 450W PSU, or a 550W PSU if you want some growing room. If you indeed want a cheap 80+ Bronze non-modular PSU, look at the EVGA 450B: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MfvZxr/evga-450w-80-bronze-certified-atx-power-supply-100-b1-0450-k1

Modularity helps you make a neat-looking interior for your rig. If you want to spend a bit more on a nicer power supply, there's the Seasonic G550: http://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm

I'm alarmed at the 120GB SSD, but then again I'm a digital hoarder with tons of pictures and videos from years passed. Make sure you know how much storage you'll be using in the near future. You don't have to buy a 2TB HDD now, but make sure you don't buy a 120GB hard drive if you think you'll exceed that quickly.

Good luck with your first build!

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