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Logarythym's Completed Build: HP Pavilion is Getting Loopy

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 3 days ago

Amazing sleeper build!

Forum Topic "2000$ USD Music Creation Build"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 11 days ago

It's called a music creation build for a reason. Yes, all, if not most, professional music artists have sound cards of some sort.

Forum Topic "2000$ USD Music Creation Build"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 13 days ago

The latency of my RAM choice is ~8.33 ns, while your RAM choice is 8.75 ns. Not that noticeable, however when you look at it as a whole, when using large files, it can be the difference of a few seconds from a render time of about a minute (not that important to me, but why not get the best out of your budget?) Also, this is a music creation build, where Intel CPUs can really shine. DAWs like FL Studio can use a lot of cores, so a Ryzen 7 2700 (X or non X) would be the best choice, however they don't come with an integrated GPU, making the 8700K the most affordable option. About the cooler, I believe the R1 Universal is comparable to the D15, and does not have any RAM height limitations, and supports ~240W, whereas with your cooler's choice, I could not find any official documentation on how much it could support. I understand the case supports bad airflow, however this is meant to be a fast yet silent build. Therefore, the Silencio is a great option.

Forum Topic "2000$ USD Music Creation Build"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 14 days ago

It is for music creation, and the GPU is the iGPU. Modern Intel iGPUs are more than enough to display DAWs at high quality.

Forum Topic "2000$ USD Music Creation Build"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 14 days ago

I agree, however I was using parts in PCPP. But, thanks for letting me know about those parts!

Forum Topic "2000$ USD Music Creation Build"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 14 days ago

Ok here is the updated list:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz 6-Core Processor $347.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler CRYORIG - R1 Universal 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler $89.95 @ Newegg Marketplace
Motherboard Asus - ROG Strix Z370-H Gaming ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $155.49 @ SuperBiiz
Memory G.Skill - Trident Z 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $262.88 @ OutletPC
Storage Samsung - 970 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $197.49 @ Amazon
Storage Samsung - 860 Evo 2TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $497.99 @ Amazon
Case Cooler Master - Silencio 652S ATX Mid Tower Case $127.20 @ Newegg
Power Supply Rosewill - 500W 80+ Platinum Certified Semi-Modular Fanless ATX Power Supply $89.99 @ Newegg Business
Sound Card Asus - STRIX RAID DLX 24-bit 192 KHz Sound Card $201.16 @ Walmart
Case Fan Noctua - NF-S12A ULN 120mm Fan $19.85 @ OutletPC
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1989.99
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-07-07 08:54 EDT-0400

Forum Topic "2000$ USD Music Creation Build"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 14 days ago

Well, there is no GPU, and the CPU, although overclocked, shouldn't go over 140W. And, I chose the 400W specifically because it was fanless. While the 520W is a much better deal, #1, I can't find it anywhere, and #2, I chose the parts based on today's prices (if you look in my parts lists, you will see it). Although, I think I will trade it out for the 500W Rosewill since it is a little cheaper and also fanless. Thanks for letting me know about the power supply!

Forum Topic "Power consumption when overclocked"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

I just happened to come across this article: https://www.pcgamer.com/pro-overclocker-der8auer-on-why-the-race-to-add-cpu-cores-doesnt-make-any-sense-and-why-you-should-still-overclock/

Around middle of the page, you can find Der8auer's comments on that.

AtomicWarBear's Completed Build: first pc build

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

Ah ok, makes sense. About the VRM thing, I would highly suggest you check out Gamer's Nexus's video on that for Ryzen because it gives a lot of interesting insight on the actual VRM lifetime when used at high temps w/o a heatsink. It also factors in overclocking.

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

In other games, I would not expect a lot of performance. You are looking at GTX 750 performance here, not TERRIBLE, but for today's popular games, you can expect low to very low settings at 30-50 FPS, with an average of 45 FPS. However in many eSports titles, 60 FPS at medium to high settings should be doable. Keep in mind that eSports titles are intentionally low spec on the hardware requirements because they want as many possible players to play to ultimately find the best players. Also it is fun for everyone (usually)!

Forum Topic "2600 vs 1700"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

Well, I do personally like the AMD RGB coolers :)

Forum Topic "Power consumption when overclocked"

Berfs1 submitter 1 Build 1 point 22 days ago

Yes, it is out of spec however I was running them for short periods of time. Of course it is likely to damage hardware when ran in a normal scenario (at 1.9V; I have used them above 2.2V when overclocking for maximum frequency, with my personal record at ~2.15V), however when I was testing via XTU, under the benchmark load, my CPU load temperatures actually dropped 10C when going from 1.9V (2x4GB G.Skill RipjawsX clocked at 2933 MHz) to 1.2V (1x1GB Elpida ram stick clocked at 1066 MHz). However obviously this is an extreme case, and generally speaking when lowering voltage from, say 1.65V to 1.5V, (using the same kit of RAM) a 1C-3C drop is typical. I can retest those test and send you the spreadsheets with the data if you would like. Note that I was using a G3258, delidded with ICD under and above the IHS, a Maximus VI Hero, an Enermax Liqmax II 240 w/ 4x 120mm fans in push pull config, and a dual PSU config (1x Corsair CX 750W and 1x Dell 280W).

Edit: Just to be clear, you were talking about the RAM voltage, right? Thanks again!

Forum Topic "2600 vs 1700"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

Yea well, its a 6 core CPU we are talking about here. Also, I wonder if 40.25, 40.5, or 40.75 multipliers worked?

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

Yea max

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

Hi kid, that is a Ryzen 5 2400G, with Ryzen 11. YOU might want to check your facts before accusing others, buddy. The 2200G uses Ryzen 8. Now go ahead and compare that. See if it is comparable.

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

If it isn't even comparable to a GTX 750 Ti, it is not fine. Also, I will no longer recommend the APUs as AMD has made it official they will go through a 3 month cycle for driver updates, which is not really a good end user deal.

Forum Topic "2600 vs 1700"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

I would like to test this out, and see if the rumors are true. I am not saying I don't believe you, it's just that I feel like many of these reviewers are inexperienced with overclocking, and are not willing to spend the time necessary to hit the higher overclocks. Also, keep in mind you can go in .25x increments. As in, how would I know if 4025, 4050, or 4075 MHz speeds are stable based on those reports? Usually not a lot of people factor that in, but it makes a difference in the end as to exactly how much AMD binned their 2600X CPUs vs the 2600s.

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 26 days ago

Roblox is a lot more intensive if you want good quality. On the more popular games, it's quite hardware intensive if you plan on chatting with friends in a discord call and playing.

Forum Topic "2600 vs 1700"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 27 days ago

I don't see why 4 GHz overclock is a problem... At this point you are trying to go way past specifications, which is why AMD or other companies don't give warranties in the first place. There is nothing wrong with going above and beyond, but what you are trying to do is say that "on air cooling you should be able to do 4.2 GHz", when there is so many different air coolers to talk about. Also, the 2600X does come with a cooler if I am not mistaken.

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 27 days ago

Good luck rendering Phantom Forces on a single core. And good luck running on a G3258 w/ one core enabled.

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 28 days ago

Yes, this is the optimal route for long term future proofing

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 28 days ago

In any case, happy computing!

Forum Topic "2600 vs 1700"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

Nah, the 2600 is fine, since you can overclock it to about the same level as a 2600X.

Forum Topic "2600 vs 1700"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

The 2600 can provide slightly better experience, however with a 1700, you can get better streaming performance, if you are into that.

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 0 points 29 days ago

No it won't. CPU will not be powerful enough, nor will GPU.

Forum Topic "Please benchmark?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

If you are comparing stuff like Phantom Forces or the really good new games, you are looking at 50 FPS at max, however for most other games on Roblox, 60 should not be a problem. Also, there is a difference with "60" and what I like to call "smooth 60". Yes, while the GPU is rendering 60 FPS, it sometimes doesn't have the buttery smooth effect that 60 FPS is supposed to bring. You will need a higher end GPU to be able to get the smooth 60 FPS mark. A GTX 1060 3GB should be no problem for the highest end Roblox titles.

Forum Topic "1070ti vs 1080"

Berfs1 1 Build 2 points 29 days ago

I'd go with the 1080, since it has GDDR5X, and of course a higher core count. Plus, you have better cooling support, which can result in slightly higher overclocks!

Forum Topic "Strictly gaming PC - Around $1400"

Berfs1 1 Build 2 points 29 days ago

It's not the speed I was looking at, it was the fact that #1, it is overclocking friendly, and #2, it has lower latency in ns.

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 2 points 29 days ago

Well, of course you want to get the basics down first! So, X58, huh? i7-960, 3x4GB (or 6x2GB) I'm pretty sure... Allow me to guess, you tried overclocking the BCLK? I am pretty sure the stock is 133 MHz (BCLK)... I am pretty confident 140 MHz BCLK can work, assuming your RAM is not of mediocre quality, that is! If the RAM cannot handle the higher speed, I suggest either increase the primary timings, or lower the memory multiplier to one lower, to compensate for the increase in BCLK. If it is the CPU, then either increase your voltage a bit, or you may be forced to lower the BCLK, although I am pretty sure 140 MHz BCLK should work flawlessly. Also, have your CPU turbo clocked, for maximum speed increase! Your i7-960 should be capable of running at a multiplier of 25 or 26, since those are the turbo boost ratios for 3/4 core and 1/2 core respectively. (Yes, I have my own database with all of this info :) ) Hey, everyone starts somewhere, and it is fair to say you started with dust in thermal compound :) It's ok. That's how we learn, from making mistakes. Just don't put 2V on the CPU. Never do it. If you need or want any help overclocking or performance tuning, please let me know!

Forum Topic "Strictly gaming PC - Around $1400"

Berfs1 1 Build 0 points 29 days ago

This is slightly over 1400 but it should do.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type Item Price
CPU Intel - Core i5-8600K 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor $239.00 @ SuperBiiz
CPU Cooler CRYORIG - H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler $34.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard MSI - Z370M MORTAR Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard $122.39 @ OutletPC
Memory G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $159.99 @ Newegg
Storage ADATA - XPG SX6000 128GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $42.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $43.90 @ OutletPC
Video Card EVGA - GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card $469.99 @ Amazon
Case Corsair - SPEC-05 ATX Mid Tower Case $44.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply EVGA - BQ 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply $54.99 @ Amazon
Monitor Acer - ED242QR Abidpx 23.6" 1920x1080 144Hz Monitor $189.90 @ Amazon
Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
Total $1403.13
Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-06-22 20:43 EDT-0400

Forum Topic "GIVE ME ANSWER"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

MSI Z370i Gaming Pro Carbon AC. Period.

Forum Topic "MOBO for Ryzen 2600x - Considering MSI x470 gaming plus or gaming pro but I cannot see ANY Difference? Are these good boards or are there any other recommendations in the 100-150 range? Thanks!!!!"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

Well, if you did not already buy it, you can just go with a Ryzen 5 2600 and overclock it! It is cheaper, and essentially, the 2600 is a downclocked 2600X, with a somewhat lower end cooler (however you can still achieve a decent overclock for your money)

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 2 points 29 days ago

I can help you with overclocking if you would like! If not overclocking, then I suggest get a high clocked modern CPU such as the i7-8086K or the Ryzen 5 2600X. Just because you have a unlocked part, doesn't mean you have to overclock it! (although it will greatly improve your overall performance).

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 3 points 29 days ago

8700 or 8600K is the best option. I am saying 8600K because you can overclock that thing, past 8700 performance. And it's a bit cheaper!

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

You don't even know what you are saying do you? Do you understand that i7s always run at higher frequencies than their equivalent i5 counterparts?

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

You are clearly misunderstood. Games like PUBG can actually use 6 cores. And it is a very popular game. You have an interesting username, perhaps a spam account?

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

The i7 8700 is the best out of the three. The i5 series has been said to be the gamer's best friend cus it offers awesome gaming performance (slightly under equivalent i7 performance) for less money.

Forum Topic "I5-8600 v i7-7700 for gaming?"

Berfs1 1 Build 2 points 29 days ago

The 8600 has 6 cores, 6 threads, where the 7700 has 4 cores, 8 threads. The 8600, at 4100 MHz (turbo clocked), should outperform the 7700 at 4000 MHz (turbo clocked). Also, you did not mention if the RAM will be ran overclocked, or 2666 on the 8600 and 2400 on the 7700, which is the rated speeds for both CPUs. Generally speaking, the 8600 SHOULD beat the 7700 for most tasks, streaming may actually favor the 7700. However for just gaming, the 8600 should win. Now, when comparing the 8600 (i5) to the 8700 (i7), the i7 variant will always win, since it has the most features, you can disable hyper-threading if you choose, you get 2MB L3 cache per core vs 1.5MB L3 cache per core on the i5 (doesn't really help but helps nonetheless), and the 8700 can do 4300 MHz when turbo clocked. Oh quick tip, if you disable two cores on the 8600, you can force a turbo clock of 4200 MHz, which can further beat the 7700 at most games, however in games like PUBG and Battlefield it is best to leave all cores enabled.

Forum Topic "CPU IDEAS! :If this cpu was real, how well would it perform and would you buy it?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

I am pretty positive it would be very acceptable for mobile solutions.

Forum Topic "Is an overclocked cpu the same as base cpu"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

Yes. Here is a perfect example: The i7-8700K vs the i7-8086K (newly released and faster). The i7-8086K runs at say, 4 Ghz base, while the 8700K runs at 3.7 GHz base. If you were to disable turbo boost, they would run at those frequencies. Essentially, when you overclock the 8700K to 4 GHz, it should match the performance of the 8086K when at 4 GHz, with a less than 1% margin of error. The i7-8086K is actually an 8700K under the hood, with vPro disabled, and higher stock clock speeds.

Forum Topic "Do I need a larger PSU?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

You do understand that higher quality parts (typically included in higher efficiency ratings) tend to be able to run at lower temperatures, right? If what you are trying to say is that heat kills parts, and trying to say my claim is wrong, well essentially you are saying a HX1000 will be operating at the same temperature under full load, compared to a Supernove T2 1000W. Good luck with that. Apparantly you don't understand that heat kills the POWER SUPPLY quicker when the POWER SUPPLY is running hotter because it is not as efficient, as in, it takes more input wattage to output the same wattage as a more efficient power supply. It is only logic. That is the point of efficiency. You are losing more energy to heat with lower efficient parts.

Forum Topic "Is there a way to get equal/similar performance from this build at possibly half the price?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

I just go higher than PCPP's values so that I can ensure that under max load, it will work, and with an upgradeability factor, in case they want to upgrade at a later date, they can still use the power supply and save a hundred bucks or something.

Forum Topic "Do I need a larger PSU?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 29 days ago

What is your build list?

Forum Topic "Do I need a larger PSU?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Through GPU Boost 3.0 alone, you won't go as high as 375W for sure, but 180-210W is more likely. When you manually overclock, and push that power limit all the way up to 375W, yea, 2100 is possible, but that depends on your GPU's ASIC quality, and voltage provided, and heat output.

Forum Topic "Is there a way to get equal/similar performance from this build at possibly half the price?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

I was just trimming his original list for near similar performance. I understand it's not half the price, however I was just optimizing his list at that performance point, in case he wanted to get it, so that it would have a higher performance/cost ratio.

Forum Topic "Do I need a larger PSU?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Well, it can help with energy savings, as well as component lifespan.

Forum Topic "Do I need a larger PSU?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

You obviously have experience overclocking Intel CPUs to the very max. Also, how much energy does 2x 8 pin PCIe ports provide? 150W each. For a total of 300. +75 from PCIe slot. I was maxing out the wattage in a very worst case scenario. If you want to get more technical, those PCIe 8 pins can actually go much higher than 150W (roughly 320W), just look at Buildzoid's vids on that! Also, go check on Intel XTU (on your computer), and check the power reading. The Package TDP is what you want to look at. Tell me what you are hitting at that 5GHz frequency, and tell me if it is still 91W under benchmark load (and NOT stress test load)! (It should not be unless you have a golden chip)

Forum Topic "Do I need a larger PSU?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

120 (CPU) + 10 (cooler) + 100(mobo) + 10(RAM) + 50(storage) + 375 (GPU). I have done my calculations, 665W. 750W is what I recommend minimum.

Forum Topic "Is there a way to get equal/similar performance from this build at possibly half the price?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago
  1. I was refining his list, not cutting it in half. Yes, I agree no threadripper/i9. I was just editing his lists in case he actually went with it.
  2. I forgot I was dealing with a Threadripper part, which typically maxes out at 3200. Thanks for pointing that out.
  3. Well, I was just getting what was enough for the entire system when overclocked.

Forum Topic "Is there a way to get equal/similar performance from this build at possibly half the price?"

Berfs1 1 Build 1 point 1 month ago

Not when putting the 8700K at a very large overclock (I put about 150W for the CPU, yes it can go that high), and the GPU can pull up to 375W. Now, we don't want this user to have to lower the overclock due to "Current Limits" now, do we? (The worst kind of throttling). Yes, a 750W would do, however for efficiency measures, the 850W would be better. A 650W will not be enough when maxing out the overclock.

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