No Problem take it easy and take care!
I would go with the P8Z77-V LE PLUS awesome board for the money.
Considering you picked a chassis with multiple fans it would be nice to be able to control them all especially easily
4. You have nice touches like USB Charger+ for quick charging a tablet, smartphone or eReader. USB 3 Boost for improved flash drive or external SSD performance and recovery options like USB Bios Flashback for updating or recovering the UEFI of the board.
Overall the build looks solid and the EVO is a good cooler. Of course I am partial to ASUS DCII cards so I would get the GTX 770 DirectCU II.
The only thing I am wondering overall though is why not go with a Haswell CPU like a 4770K why are going with an older platform when the cost is pretty much the same?
If you do go for Z87 The Z87-A and Z87-PLUS are both great options.
Also do not forget since your re getting a optical drive that support UEFI make sure and install your OS with a native UEFI installation. This will give you the fastest post and boot speeds ( especially if you consider a ASUS graphics cards as the VBIOS support the UEFI protocol called GOP ).
The ROG Armor was designed with three goals in mind
As the hottest part of the motherboard is the VRM assembly this is the key area we focused on providing improved cooling. Thisis actually similar to SABERTOOTH which has assist fans to aid in cooling both he VRM assembly / CPU zone as well as the GPU Zone. The SABERTOOTH does also have multiple convection holes directly in the PCB to aid in airflow going through the board so its total design is different and design for a different usage. That being said you can feel confident in the stability of the Formula.
We also feel that people deciding to purchase the Formula will be integrating into a high performance chassis with reasonable airflow to ensure cool operation. Additionally you can remove the ROG Armor should you want to run the board without it. Hope this clarifies any questions you had.
As of right now it will initially be a Newegg exclusive there is a possibility you could see it at additional etailers over time but initially Newegg only.
As you do not plan to overclock initially it would make sense to consider a H series chipset. With that in mind the features you may want may only be available on a Z series motherboard.
My recommendation for a great budget board with solid features - P8Z77-V LE PLUS or P8Z77-V LK ( I would first consider the LE PLUS )If both those are too much you go with the LX
M5A board is a great board very solid UEFI which is mature it has 10 releases as opposed to the GB board which is a refresh just released which plays catch up to the ASUS as they phased in a Digital Design which was already on the ASUS board.
Overclocking wise you are solid the VRM , Heatsink and UEFI are all good to go in ensuring a solid and reliable overclock. I have personally overclocked this board to 4.6GHz without any issues. Additionally the board offers DOCP support which is a way you can load and support XMP profiles which are not natively supported on the AMD chipset.
You also have great fan control functionality in the UEFI or the OS along with other cool options like native UEFI support which allows for the quickest and fastest post and boot. You just need to make sure to install the OS with a native UEFI installation.
Hope this helps.
Yes it was also the same type of design philosophy on the Maximus V Formula. I personally had no issues with the preinstalled barbs. This generation there are not barbs or fittings it is a open G1/4 Thread so you can put your own whether it is a barb or compression fitting.
The board will be out around 2nd week of August price point is going to be approx. 300 to 310. Currently it is set to be a Newegg exclusive. On a side note some users noted the water cooling usage which is an option but the VRM heatsink design allows for full air/passive operation or utilization of water should be looking for the coolest temperatures. I can tell you for sure it is an awesome board.
You can consider the P8Z77-V or P8Z77-V PRO. If want to keep the price point very low then you can go with the P8Z77-V LE PLUS. Sorry for the mix up on the recommendation.
No problem. Best of luck with your build!
Both are great board in regards to quality and overclocking and overall functionality ( functions like extensive fan controls, USB Bios Flashback, USB Charger +, Extensive UEFI parameters etc ). The key differences are noted below.
Integrated Wireless support ( 802.11N Dual Band 2.4GHz and 5GHz and Bluetooth 4.0 )
4 Way Optimization support with realtime dynamic auto overclocking specific to your CPU, Cooling.
8 USB 3 Ports
Additionally fan header ( although both fully support control for each header with support for 3 pin and 4 pin fans )
Improved audio with isolated SupremeFX audio design. Additionally supports Sonic Radar and Perfect Voice
Superior VRM components for improved efficiency and power and stability and more aggressive overclocks. ( although keep in mind both can easily do 4.8GHz should your CPU and cooling allow for )
Fixed overclocking presets via CPU Level Up 4.2GHz, 4.4GHz and 4.6GHz.
6 USB 3 Ports
Special Software included
Game First II a packet priority software designed for optimizing latency and ping in games as well as applications like your web broswing, streaming or downloading. 1 year license for Kaspertsky AV, Full version of Daemon Tools pro standard and ROG Ram Disk. This allows you to use your memory a "physical volume" so you can install or run applications from.
This is a complex question but ultimately overclocking focused chipsets focus on the enthuiast user. As such they will also provide the best overall functions and features. In this respect yes even if you do not plan to overclock but want improved quality and features like wireless or bluetooth or improved onboard audio as well as as more complete fan control functionality. All this and more will be targeted at being present on the performance chipsets as opposed to the channel chipsets. Channel chipsets like the B series and H series have a higher level of integration for basic SOHO or SMB or corporate environments where rich connectivity or expansion or higher levels of integration are not as important. Ultimately there is nothing wrong selecting a Z87 motherboard even if you do not overclock. What does not make sense is purchasing a K series CPU if you do not plan to overclock it.
An example would be the 4770K if you do not plan to overclock you should instead purchase the 4770.
Crossfire is supported down to PCIe connections of 4x. For modern generation CPUs that would be PCIe 4x Gen 3.0 which is actually the same as PCIe 8x Gen 2.0
Overall your target for optimal performance should be PCIe Gen 2.0 8x operation anything in that performance market will not overall impact the scaling offered by the secondary GPU.
As noted by mousseng. You should look at the details for the board to confirm on what the PCIe slot will be running at. This will help you to figure out whether it will provide the bandwidth you are looking for. I do agree with mousseng as well though you should consider a higher end single GPU prior to moving to secondary GPU this will help to ensure the best consistent performance.
My recommendation would be the ASUS Z87-K though if you are looking for a entry level Z87 based motherboard.
Have no experience but I would recommend the P8Z77-V LE PLus or LK both are at similar price points but offer strong and mature UEFI where you have great long term support at ensuring smooth and responsive functionality along with compatibility and solid OC support. For OC I would go with the LE Plus as you have a more robust VRM solution and also have great fan control functionality for each header which is something not offered on the Biostar board.
Overall though note sure what information to provide as you noted just information regarding a CPU for supporting a Core i5.
No problem glad I could help. Keep in mind the Sonic Radar feature will be coming to the Xonar Phoebus shortly via a driver update. You could also consider a USB sound card which is nice because you can have improved audio on both you desktop and notebook if you have one.
No problem good luck with the build!
You should have no issues overclocking to 4.0GHz with this CPU on this board. Ensure you update to the latest UEFI. Once you do you can use the TPU optimal setting in the UEFI for a easy OC without any manually tuning.
Additionally at the board offers a digital controller you have great options for tuning the VRM and PWM for efficiency and great stability with overclocking. I would recommend choosing a LLC option ( loadline calibration option between mid to high ) along with the corresponding voltage. This is if you want to overclock manually vs using the TPU optimal button within the UEFI.
The board does not come with an on board speaker no new motherboard come with this anymore. The board does feature a diagnostic LED system on it.
If you have issues with the post of the system there will be 4 LEDs on the board
These will light up red in the event the system has an issue with one of those components allowing you to make and adjustment and recheck your system for a post.
I would consider the Maximus VI Hero it actually offers discrete isolated audio compared to the GD65.
Hero will also provided RamDisk software which you could use with the 16GB of memory for a junction or disk to improve performance for CAD.
If you do want to keep the price point more aggressive the Z87-A or Z87-PLUS get my vote. A couple of nice options sometimes forgotten about would be items like Fan Control functionality. Both boards have 3pin and 4 pin support for each header and have full manual control whether in the UEFI or OS via AiSuite III.
Of course this depends on how many fans you will have in your system but most users tend to have between 3 to 5 in a cpu including the CPU cooling solution. The UEFI is also quite rich with great functions and features.
What is your usage do you need 3 way and 4 way support?
Additionally YOU DO NOT WANT a board that offers 16x and 16x. This is actually going to offer lower performance for the GPU.
The PCIe lanes from the CPU are native with the least amount of latency which affects performance and to a degree frame latency.
The best board design do not use the PLX to intefere with the primary CPU lanes.
As such native PCIe Gen 3 8X is better than 16x which is achevied through the multiplexing of the PCIe lanes from the CPU.
This also goes for crossfire and sli. This is why the Maximus VI Extreme and Z87 WS both have 8x in crossfire and sli. The PLX should only be involved when there is a need for additional lanes which occurs when doing 3 way or 4 way configurations.
Even under that configuration e keep the primary PCIe slot always at a native 8x directly attached to the CPU PCIe lanes for the best performance.
The Maximus VI Extreme also offers 802.11AC support Bluetooth 4.0 and NGFF/M.2 support for ultra small form factor SSDs.
If you are looking for a tweaking and tunign and overclocking GPU beast the MVIE is my recommendation although if you do not need more than 2 way support I would consider the Maximus VI Formula or Z87 Deluxe.
As to the comments on durability the Maximus offers 10K rated capacitors, 60A rated chokes and nexfet mosfets which are more than enough for your usage in regards to quality and durability as these are rated for more power than what the platform can push ( even higher than x79 motherboards ). As for higher phase count more is not actually always ideal. Having a higher VRM can actually produce more heat as each individual inductors will have load additionally if there is no phase balancing that can be define then all the inductors will always run. This is why the Extreme has only 8 phase because it optimal for efficiency and max power output. The Extreme was put head to head at computex with all other OC boards and won 10 out of the 11 oc tests/benchmarks. VRM design comes down to total quality and design not just numbers in definign the experience where also the UEFI heavily plays into the compatibility and performance and overall smoothness of the board. If you look at previous examples of Extreme ( like the Maximus V Extreme or Rampage IV Extreme see how many UEFI updates have been released this is not something always considered but shows the continual support and fine tuning offered tot he ROG board MSI if you compare has released less updates.
As you have noted also you are only going for 2 way I think a better option is the Formula it has everything you want with the best onboard audio ever designed. You still have outstanding OC, 802.11AC BT 4.0 support for the OC Panel, ROG UEFI, ROG Software Suite and all the ASUS advantage points such as fan control functionality, USB Bios Flashback, USB Charger+ and quite a bit more.
Do not worry about the OC/Gaming focus either all the board will offer the same OC experience 4.8GHz from the -A all the way up to the Extreme. Pick the board based on the feature set and functionality you are looking for.
The -A is a solid board and have been able to overclock personally to 4.8GHz without any issues. The Hero as noted by the user below is equally a solid board but will offer superior VRM load temperature performance. This is due to a larger heatsink with a heatpipe and higher performing VRM ( power components ). It is a little more than your 180 budget but keep in mind you get a considerable upgrade in the quality of the onboard audio due to the isolated/discrete SupremeFX audio design.
At you price point the -A, PLUS or Hero are all great options are equal to their overall OC experience which is very good. Keep in mind if you do not have alot of OC knowledge the baords offer quick one touch overclocking
the TPU switch on the -A and Plus will provide 4.2GHz overclocks.
the PLUS offers a dynamic auto overclocking process which is specific to your CPU, and cooling solution.
the hero offers CPU Level Up with options for 4.2GHz, 4.4GHz and 4.6GHz. Keep in mind though for stress testing the cooler you have may not be good enough ( although it will not have any issues under real world usage such as gaming, web browsing or streaming or general productivity. If you will be doing heavy editing though with long renders/encodes then you may need better cooling at higher overclocks with more voltage.
I would recommend the P8Z77-V LE PLUS if you want go on a budget it offers everything you have asked for 150
Strong overclocking 4.8GHz is not an issue along with very good memory compatibility and DRAM support
Additionally offers USB Charger + which allows for the quick charging of devices even when the system is off. In addition it also improves on other board by offering this for non iOS devices ( Andriod , Windows Mobile and eReaders ). You have great fan control with each header offering manual fan tuning. The UEFI is solid, and robust with easy configuration parameters and solid functionality.
If you want to spend close to your 200 price point I would go with he P8Z77-V PRO or the SABERTOOTH Z77. These both offer everything mention on the LE board and more.
Outstanding OC just like the LE PLUS. They also offer higher end VRM components for superior efficiency and lower onboard temperatures under load.
The SABERTOOTH offers a 5 years warranty and additional connections like ESATA and supplemental SATA ports for a total of 8 and 6 USB 3 ports and much more.
The -V PRO offers integrated wireless ( 802.11N 2.4GHz with Bluetooth ) and 8 SATA ports and 8 USB 3 ports.
I would also recommend the Hero if your focus is gaming as you get improved sound via the SupremeFX isolated audio design. In addition the components on board are rated for higher levels of operation. That being noted the component quality on both is great. Additionally they both feature Intel nics which are the industry standard in performance, compatibility and management parameters.
Expert would offer
Dual Band Wifi and Bluetooth
Otherwise all other key items are going to essentially be the same
Great quality fan controls ( 3pin and 4 pin support per header ) outstanding overclocking. Great UEFI with extensive features and functionality. Even items like USB 3 Boost or USB Charger + and USB Bios Flashback are on both boards.
The Hero would offer
Higher end VRM components
Specialized software suite ( RAM Disk, Game First II Packet Priority software, 1 year license of Kaspersky AV and Daemon Tools Pro Standard )
Either which way both would be outstanding board
Lastly you could also consider the SABERTOOTH in similar price range.
It offers Thermal Radar which people confuse for Armor. Thermal Radar is the 12 on board temperature ICs that let you have real time temperature e monitoring across the entire board. Additionally you have 3 opt temp sensors you can run or attach to any point you would like.
Overall quality, stability and overclocking will be identical it comes down to which features and functionality you would prefer.
If you want crazy expansion for PCIe just to throw another into the lot you have the Z87 WS which also offers enhanced option rom support dual Intel nics, mSATA 6G and the same 60A rated inductors / chokes as the Extreme board which would also be an option if you want expansion of the WS but with Wifi ( which steps up to 802.11AC vs the Expert which is 802.11N )
When considering memory you should also go in the highest density possible. While memory compatibility has improved considerably overtime and a quality motherboard ( more importantly ) at quality UEFI will allow for mixed combination keep in mind mixing kits and dimms can lead to instability and inconsistencies. This is especially true when considering that most enthusiast memory is XMP rated which is validated on Intel memory controller vs AMP based memory which is designed and rated on AMD ( APU included ) memory controllers. It is correct that if you are using the APU graphics increasing the DRAM frequency provides more bandwidth for improved performance.
Ideally a good choice would be a 8GB 1866 or 2133 kit whether it be 8gb or 16gb. The cool thing about AMD based memory it is also includes a ram disk application so you could install key applications like your web browser or other key items to run directly from memory if you do not use all of it.
Keep in mind if you end up buying just a single stick or 2 sticks of memory down the road you may need to manually define your frequency, timings and possibly voltage for optimal performance and stability.
Couple of easy tips.
You should regardless see the full memory count within the UEFI which is independent of the OS. As noted by another commenter if you do not have a 64bit OS you will not be able to fully use all 64GB of memory.
Ensure no CPU socket pins are bent or damaged from CPU installation
Ensure you do not have an residue on the memory interconnects ( gold fingers ) Wipe them clean many times users touch these without realizing it and they have oils and other items that can cause detection issues or instability
You can go into the UEFI and tool section there is a SPD tool that will allow you to check if each memory module is detected and if you see memory dimms missing per bank you should unseat all the memory and install one at a time. Ensure prior to removal you default the motherboard ( f5 ) to default values of operation
While it should be required you ideally do want to ensure you have updated to the newest UEFI ( some people call this the bios ).
I would consider a different board if you are also looking at wireless at part of your build.
Z87 Pro would offer integrated wireless with Dual Band support ( 2.4GHz and 5GHz with Bluetooth 4.0 ) and come included with adjustable SMA based antennas. That is a nice touch as with SMA based antennas you can replace just the antennas as they are not proprietary so you could upgrade to higher dbi antennas for better reception or throughput.
Additionally looking the at the cooler you are considering the chassis and supplemental fans the Pro would offer superior fan control. Each header can be manually controlled and tuned and supports 3 pin and 4 pin control. This allows you to easily ensure you can find a great balance for cooling but quiet operation.
I think the Maximus VI Hero is an awesome board. Red and Black and has awesome fan controls ( per each header supporting 3 pin and 4 pin ). Improved audio that is fully separated plus supports a cool feature called SonicRadar where is displays your sound in game visually along with Perfect Voice which is a way to suppress external noise from affecting your ingame chat. You also get nice touch points like a smooth, responsive UEFI with excellent features and functions ( like SATA port renaming, Note taking inside the UEFI, quick configuration options and alot more ).
Its hard to know exactly what to recommend without knowing all the points you may be interested in but overall the board pretty much offers all the key functions and features you could want. The only item missing would be wireless if that is something you were interested in. One cool item though is the game first software which optimizes you internet connection can work with he integrated Intel network controller as well as any add on controller so even if you buy a PCIe wireless card or USB wireless adapter it would still allow you to take advantage of it.
Also while you did not note whether overclocking is important the board clocks easily to 4.8GHz and 2400 memory. Personally have run it without any issues although keep in mind that your cooling and the variable quality of the CPU will also play into this.
I would consider moving up to the M5A97 R2.0. You are considering an overclocking capable CPU and are going to be upgrading to a solid cooler the Hyper 212 series. The LE while a solid board does not offer VRM heatsinks for a slight increase in price the R2.0 offers VRM heatsinks which can considerably improve stability under load especially when overclocked. In addition the fan control functionality is more robust allowing for more adjustment for the corresponding headers on the board. Especially compared to GB you will have more options and granularity in defing the fan curve and overall control.
The digital controller as well provides alot of tunign flexibility whether it be in the OS or in the UEFI in easily overclocking the CPU and ensuring stability. You have also picked memory that supports an XMP profile so you want a board that has the ability to load and read XMP profiles. keep in mind that XMP is an Intel memory profile. Ideally you would want to go with AMP based memory but if you want XMP the ASUS board offers a function called DOCP this allows you to read XMP profile memory and attempt to load and initialize the timings, frequency and voltage of the memory.
I have used the M5A97 R2.0 with solid results great USB 3 Performance especially as it support USB 3.0 Boost and solid overclocking where i have personally had no issues running 4.6GHz+ at 2133 4 dimm.
There are alot of factors to consider but what it comes down to is usage. A motherboard defines the expansion and connectivity and in many ways the usage model of the system and how you will complete the rest of the build.
Will it be a ATX board or a mATX or even a mini ITX they are all motherboards but all have considerbly different levels of functionality, expansion.
Additionally spec does a board job of providing a more complete understanding on the functionality or experience of a product. An example could be fan controls.
You could see a board with the same number of headers but in actuality the controls may not exist for the secondary headers or may be very basic not allowing for customization. The configuration you have listed most likely has at least 3 fans you will want to ideally be able to control.
Additionally items like the quality and consistency of the UEFI is important as it defines many aspects as much as the hardware does especially for aspects of compatibility and interoprability.
Lastly you have additionally items that may be supplemental but may provide additional value and usability.
You also want to consider many users forget with lower cost boards like warranty. The board you are looking at has a 1 year warranty. If the board fails in the second or third year it will cost you at least the same amount to replace which also costs your time and effort. I would also note depending if you are going to overclock I would generally not advise it with a board that does not offer VRM heatsinks as the mosfets ( the VRM ) is the hottest running part of the motherboard.
My recommendation if you can bring you price band up a little would be the M5A97 PRO R2.0. It is a value priced board but with a great feature set, quality design and solid usability aspects and includes a 3 year warranty.
Got it. Overall then the Extreme and the WS are both outstanding choices. The overclocking range will be the same but the ROG boards have special UEFI that offer very special and extensive / advanced options that are not used by even most enthusiasts. It is really for tweakers and tuners at heart. With that noted there are lot of great additional items like ROG Connect and OC panel which are great supplemental tweakers options for tweaking, tuning and monitoring your system. Depending on the level of GPU expansion you may want to consider the Maximus VI Formula instead it supports up to 3 GPUs ( Crossfire ) or 2 SLI as opposed to the WS and Extreme which support 4. Overall though in regards overclocking and extensive ranges all the boards in the ASUS Z87 range will be equal at offering extensive customization. ROG will offer all that and more. You can check out some of the key differences if you go to asusrog youtube and check out the UEFI/BIOS overview.
SupremeFX which you would fine on the Maximus VI Hero or Maximus VI Formula are special designs essentially offer you discrete sound card quality but built directly on the motherboard. This is nice especially if you use the internal slots for other items while upgrading the system.
The ASUS P8Z77-V LE PLUS or P8Z77-V LK are both solid boards that allow for solid overclocking, DRAM support and quality UEFI releases that provides solid stability, compatibility and interoprability.
I would go with the LE Plus the fan control functionality is great as you have full fan control per each header whether it is within the UEFI or the software ( AiSuite II ). You also get nice touch points like a digital controller for the VRM, CPU and DRAM. This provides robust and easy options to work with in overclocking the board.
hope this helps!
All motherboards includes integrated audio ( at least over 90% ) this board does not have integrated wireless. Keep in mind there are different wireless specifications.
You could consider a Z87-Pro which has integrated audio along with integrated dual band wireless ( 2.4Ghz and 5GHz ) 802.11N wireless support with Bluetooth 4.0
If the board is too high on price point you could consider
Z87-Plus or Z87-A which are much lower in price and then go with a ASUS USB-N53 dual band wireless adapter which goes for around 30 dollars so it is pretty reasonable in cost. If you are going to consider heavy browsing or downloading and gaming as well as HD streaming then this is a really solid adapter.
The M5A97 R2.0 would be my recommendation. It is a solid board with a solid UEFI in regards to stability, compatibility and overall functionality ( fan controls ). Additionally if you plan to buy XMP enabled memory there is a feature within the UEFI called DOCP which will allow you to read and apply XMP profiles ( which are Intel only profiles ). Keep in mind though the memory controller of AMD CPUs may not always support running a 2133 divider with same level of stability. The board you are considering though has been validated at those speeds so overall i would not expect any issues. With that noted you may want to consider AMP 2133 memory instead to ensure it is validated on an AMD CPU and memory controller.
Additionally you have full Native UEFI cap supprot for optimal SSD performance especially with Windows 8 where you can enable FastBoot and have ultra fast post and booting speeds.
Hope this helps!
It depends on what you are looking for if it is focused just at expansion overall and not a focus on overclocking then you do not need to consider ROG. You may instead consider the WS series.
The P9D WS offers alot of expansion without the need to worry about overclocking extras which you may not need additionally you still great a compliment of features like improve network controllers and additional USB 3 functionality and advanced fan controls.
If you feel you may potentially want the ability to overclock and want to look for expansion but want a board with less overclocking additions or target gamer functions the Z87 WS is another option.
This board offers extensive PCIe expansion. In the end it comes down to what is the bandwidth and how much expansion is needed and for what purposes.
Ideally I would communicate
1. Why you need expansion
2. What type of devices would be used in the expansion slots
3. Will the system offer multiple levels of usage or a sole focus intended of usage
To touch on your ROG vs non ROG the overall quality, performance, compatibility and functionality is going to be essentially the same. ROG are focused at enthusiasts who really want superior flexibility in specialized tuning and tweaking as well as are gamers. This comes into play as the boards feature specialized designs that compliment gaming like SupremeFX audio or GameFirst II packet priority software. You also have supplemental features like ROG RamDisk which can be a great way of taking system ram that is not used and providing a benefit through its usage a storage volume.
With that noted all ASUS board will offer a outstanding UEFI with robust features like note taking, EZ XMP, Extensive Fan Controls, SATA port renaming and alot more. Additionally the quality of the components and other factors will be consistent across both segments. It more so comes down which feature set from which series compliments you as a user and your usage model.