What reviews are concerning you? The TUF series is a proven line used by vendors like Puget Systems and Digital Storm monthly for many builds without issue. The vast majority of users who experience an issue we find are tied into issues with installation or compatibility issue of some type.
Both the MARK 1 and S are really great options. If you are looking for an alternate consider the Z170-A or Z170 PRO GAMING. They are great options as well and they offer the benefit of Auto Tuning if you are considering a K series CPU.
If you have other questions let me know.
Best of luck with your build!
I would recommend you check out my previous post on the Z170 PRO GAMING AURA.
Overall there is no negatives to detract. Really what it comes down to is whether you want to spend a little more to get Wi-Fi and RGB LED strip support on a board like the MAXIMUS VIII HERO ALPHA. Outside of that the key areas that the SABERTOOTH offers a benefit or superior design implementation to the PRO GAMING are noted below. Keep in mind this is specific to needs of these users.
5 year warranty compared to a 3 year warranty
Thermal Radar ( this is a advanced onboard set of temp sensors that work inconjunction with a dedicated IC ( TUF ICE ) to offer advanced temperature monitoring that is indepdent of CPU handling offering quicker response. it also allows for temperature weighting through the use of temp zones ( CPU zone or GPU zone ).
Overall all the key areas that are really impressive to fan controls are the same on Z170 PRO GAMING and TUF
DC & PWM output control ( 3pin & 4pin ) support
Automatic Fan Calibration
True independent per header control
RPM and ramping control per header
Temperature input mapping per header ( the Z170 PRO GAMING offers this and when combined with the Fan Extension Card is pretty extensive ). That being noted the TUF series can have any one of the onboard
All the board support Fan Xpert 4 which is great in regards to what it offers - Demo of Fan Xpert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt-rh-WCxlc - It shows how each fan can be calibrated and profiled and then you have a wide range of control options to tailor your cooling performance including fan speed, fan ramp policy and more
As for some specifics that the TUF offers compared to the PRO GAMING
Advanced ESD protection - Each connection port has higher performing ESD diodes that carry much higher discharge performance. This is great if you are in an area where you have increased chance of static discharge or are frequently plugging in and disconnecting cables.
More advanced temperature input mapping due to the number of onboard sensors 14 across the board ( compared to the most ASUS board which have 3 to 4 in key areas like the CPU, GPU )
More responsive and accurate temp monitoring due to a dedicated temperature IC processor
In the case of the MARK 1 you have the thermal armor which provides airflow to the VRM and board as well as the Fortifier. The addition of the Fortifier is nice as it increases resistance against torsion and board flexing. This is nice, especially when using huge heatsinks as well as makes handling the board easy.
Dust Defenders ( They block dust, debris & dander ) from getting into the various slots and ports on the motherboard. In addition, it adds a nice blackout look.
TUF Detective for advanced hardware monitoring and debug. You can plug in your phone or tablet and see real-time information on the board and when the board is going through its POST you can see the debug information to help and see what might be causing an issue.
Slightly improved VRM components ( 10K capacitors compared to 5K capacitors ). Superior inductors / power phases. Overall both boards have great VRM design and will offer great stability and overclocking ability.
For the PRO GAMING its main benefits are
More robust Auto Overclocking options. The board offers Auto Tuning
Demo of Auto Tuning - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLkzMamoRbA - It is CPU specific automated overclocking and has a wide range of customization options including CPU target frequency, voltage, CPU overclock based on temperature and much more. It is the most robust and reliable way of easily overclocking your CPU. It is hardware / firmware based as all changes hppen directly within the UEFI in the same wa they would if you manually tuned the board. The benefit is how easy you can customize and automate the OC process and additionally how it is specific to your CPU. This is great especially if you change different items over time like the cooler or memory and want to re run.
Improved network packet priority control software ( GameFirst ) - This is nice if you want an easy way to manage network centric traffic and applications relative to their priority and how they use your network connection.
The audio suite is a little different and more suited towards gamers offering some nice options for customization
Overall they are all great boards and I would probably pick the board that you like most based on aesthetics as the feature set is so consistent amongst them as a whole. I would probably trend towards the Z170 PRO GAMING AURA especially as you going with a K series CPU. Plus it would look great with a STRIX graphics card.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions. Best of luck with the build.
You can use any number of different kits. G.SKILL is a great option in regards to a large level of validated modules.
These are two options
Best of luck with your build.
There are five onboard but as noted in the post you also have PWM output per header allowing for a PWM splitter board or cable to support the control of multiple fans per header. Additionally, you can easily add more headers through the use of the ASUS Fan Extension Card.
Not sure on global availability but it should be closely approaching it's release.
No problem! Glad you found it useful.
This is still in early stages. Part of it has to do with the validation of us checking different filaments as many do not meet thermal stress requirements. That being noted more information will be released soon. The initial information will be specific to smaller size printing plates options like those shown in the images.
Glad you enjoyed the Fan Xpert fan controls. They make things so much easier and allow for easy adjustment when wanted.
I will check with our team and follow up.
While this is true we do communicate and work with key partners to try and adhere to the MSRP. With this in mind it works both ways you can have products also sold by the etailer / retailer under the MSRP.
Price listed is a 3rd party seller not Newegg.
Thanks for the kudos!
Everything you need will come with the packages of the products you need.
Should be showing up in the next 7 days to 10 days. It is currently being shipped to etailers and going through the process of being updated into their databases.
I would consider checking out the post I did on the new Z170 PRO GAMING. For its price it packs in quite a bit and provides a lot of value to novice builders. While you are going with a non K series CPU and will not benefit from the Auto Tuning feature on the board there are still many other aspects that are relevant.
Should you want to go a little lower in price you can also consider the Z170-E. Here the main difference would be the heatsinks for the VRM, less port connectivity ( fewer USB 3.0 ) as well as some aesthetic changes but in regards to the core benefits noted for the Z170 many of those would still be present.
While an H series board is an option and lower in cost they tend to offer cut down functionality in many areas that a builder would appreciate or benefit from.
Weclome to PCDIY and best of luck with your build!
Both are IPS so will offer comparable performance in regards to colors and black reproduction as well as viewing angle ( the main advantage of IPS ). The specific reasons to consider the one I noted we listed under the recommendation. The blue light mode option I think is a big on personally as you are looking at a screen a long time and over time it can cause issues with your vision. If you are interested in finding out more check out this page.
Cannot provide specifics until we make our general announcement but you should see more info next month.
Both are good. If you want "bang for the buck" go with the Thermaltake it is a solid option. I put the Noctua as a secondary option which is outstanding in regards to ease of installation and acoustics.
I would need to check but the templates we will release should work as the dimensions should be the same.
Agreed! IT would look great in the P400.
First and foremost kudos for starting on your first PC build! Welcome to the PCDIY brotherhood!
With that noted you did not define your budget ( outside of your current list ) and also the type of games you are looking to play. That being noted I revised you current list with my recommendations.
CPU - Kept it the same
A solid choice for offering you a very good CPU performance for all types of usage including gaming, VR and general productivity. The addition of being K based allows for overclocking to increase performance.
CPU cooler - Went with some low cost but offers very good cooling and very quiet operation. Addtionally the white aesthetic of the fans compliments the white on the board. It also will allow for overclocking of your K series CPU while still keeping it cool and quiet.
Motherboard - Went with the Z170-A, a great board offering all the key features, functions, and specs you could want for a entry-enthusiast board except for Wi-Fi. The aesthetic is great ( white with black and light blue accents ).
More important though the -A offers up some key benefits for ease of use when considering fans and cooling along with ease of use when overclocking.
Specifically, the -A offers Auto Tuning & Fan Xpert
Demo of Auto Tuning - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLkzMamoRbA - It is CPU specific automated overclocking and has a wide range of customization options including CPU target frequency, voltage, temperatures and much more
Demo of Fan Xpert - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt-rh-WCxlc - It shows how each fan can be calibrated and profiled and then you have a wide range of control options to tailor your cooling performance including fan speed, fan ramp policy and more.
Memory - Went with a 16GB kit more than enough for anything you will do easily covering you for gaming as well as minimal editing and simultaneous streaming and gaming. 2400 speed is a perfect fit of not needing more than you need and the DIMMs I selected are black and blue and contrast nicely against the board and align with the colors of the chassis.
Storage - SSD for a modern gaming system an SSD makes a huge difference in game installs , patching /updating and level loading and can help reduce microstutter. Beyond that had added a 1TB HD for image backups of your primary OS and general file storage.
Graphics Card/GPU - STRIX GTX 1070. An awesome card that offers up cooler, quieter and faster performance than the founders edition while also offerings some great upgrade benefits.
3 zone RGB lighting ( which can be blue to align with your look and feel of the system ). Additionally, unlike many other cards the card itself uses a black monochromatic shroud which does not conflict with other colors.
Integrated Fan Connections for more flexibility and optimal intake fan response.
Outstanding build quality.
You can find out more in the post I did on this card if interested.
Chassis / Case - NZXT 340. Great moden chassis with clean look and feel and this edition is black on the outside with blue accent on the inside. This will be a great fit to the overall blue, white and black colors offered on the other components. It also offers solid cable routing options and clean design by hiding the PSU.
Power supply/PSU - No reason to spend extra. This is a solid PSU i have used in a number of builds without issue it is quiet and offers headroom for OC. While not being modular in regards to its cables. They are black and flat and make for easy stacking and effective cable routing.
Monitor - Went with a IPS based 1080P monitor. It has thin bezels and some range of adjustments. Beyond that, it also has a blue light filter mode. This is great when not gaming and you are reading forums or email or the web in general and want to reduce eyestrain and eye fatigue.
Overall hope this helps and best of luck with your build!
No problem! Glad to be of help.
Yes we have a updated version coming soon. Stay tuned for more information.
I would get a dual channel kit of memory you can get it for less and get a slight bump with applications and some games that are bandwidth sensitive. You can get the GSKILL kit for around 35
The SAPPHIRE REFERENCE card you are ordering from BH on pre-order is higher than the same reference card from ASUS. While I would recommend a non-reference RX 480 if you are getting reference why not save the extra 20 dollars.
PSU is fine but higher than you need. You could save more by dropping to 550 or 600 and still provide you more than enough headroom for OC.
Considering the savings on the memory, GPU and PSU that adds up to a nice amount to either get a better monitor or better SSD or the difference for nonreference RX 480.
Speaking of monitor I would consider the VX238H-E ( it is white and goes with your build and is lower cost ). It is 1080P with 1ms response time
If you want to go IPS you may want to consider the VC239H
it has some nice benefits including a blue light mode which is great for reducing eyestrain when you are reading forums, email etc or not gaming. You have game timer overlay which can be useful for some games. You also have vivid pixel which when you apply to some games can add a nice level of line detail enhancement ( especially for action / RPG titles ).
Overall solid build and best of luck with it. look forward to some pics especially of that -A!
Thanks! Appreciate the kudos. What is it you are not partial to? Considering we make a lot of boards and refresh the looks every chipset that is a pretty blanket statement. Thanks again for the feedback.
I actually think that is a great board for beginner as you get a stable and reliable board but to a high quality level and simple and intutiave controls. Many other boards do not offer the simplgied level of functionality of just making it easy to have your system being quiet ( as i noted with the fan controls ).
As for being compatible the board supports pretty much anything you are looking for. You just need to select the right CPU ( Skylake CPU ) and DDR 4. Beyond that pretty much anything is ok.
As for the 6600K it is a solid part. Very good at offering up all the performance for any application and any game. The main benefit it has is should you want more CPU performance you can OC it easily ( this increase the CPUs performance at no cost to you ). Even if you do not OC right away it is like a free upgrade you can unlock in a year or two if you want.
Ultimately the choice is up to you. You can go with a non K CPU if you want but the price difference is not that large for a similar high performance quad core CPU.
A 6600k is 240 and a 6600 non k is about 220
You could go with the 6400 which is 180 but i would recommend generally 3.0GHz for a gaming CPU as many games still are heavily influenced along with most applications by clock speed.
As for the CPU cooler. You do not need to get something big and crazy and complicated but I would spend a little more money on it to get something that offers quiet operation regardless of what you are doing. Additionally, should you want to overclock it offers the you the cooling headroom to do so.
My recommendation for solid options at a reasonble price would be the
Thermaltake Frio Silent 14
I do work for ASUS and an open about that. I have worked for the company for almost 8 years and I have a proved level of engagement in the community that shows a fair and reasonable level of engagement. If you look at previous feedback I do not try and oversell people but provide detail, insightful and experienced based feedback and recommendations.
If you also look at how I and ASUS support the community it is a higher degree than any other vendors ( there are no other reps here providing insight to users questions or issues ). You can also look at the content I have provided to the community via youtube or
Here is a recent build where you can see our goal and my is to provide users with useful information to consider in their pursuit of all things PCDIY. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=New9z2_2tVQ
I can only hope to be successful at doing this by doing it fairly and honestly. Hopefully, this provides you insight.
As to being the "best board" there is no "best board" but good choices / recommendations. I would also note experience has shown that many "nicer features' that get noted as not being valuable to first time builders is not true.
An example could be debug ( or operating status LEDs ). These come on higher end boards generally. Some may say a novice or first-time users does not need it but actually they do as they have far less understanding on the issues or problems when building a PC. A seasoned builder with lots of experience knows how to troubleshoot. While they can find the debug LED valuable and useful it is not as much as the novice who has no idea where to start. Looking at the board I think it offers a very strong balance of giving you a lot of what really will give you a great starting experience in a PC build and not have you regretting really any aspect.
We make boards that range from 135 to 600 dollars in the performing gaming segment designed for OC CPUs and gamer / enthusiast builds. Considering I am recommending a board at almost the entry I think that is a reasonable recommendation with justification. I would also note I did recommend the Z170-E if you are really trying to lower the cost but still keep a high quality and fairly feature rich board.
Hoppe this helps and best of luck.
It should be available in the next 7 to 10 days online. Possibly sooner. It should first show up on Newegg. I will be providing the information to the PCPP team as well to ensure it is in the database.
The ASROCK boards is much higher priced and designed to compete with ROG boards. From a value prop the PRO GAMING AURA is much better. Especially considering the fan controls alone are fan superior than that of the ASROCK which cost more.
the "gold caps" are just a color they are a higher rating though. 12K which is nice but for general users no needed. The PRO GAMING already uses 5K caps which are twice the industry standard.
I would prefer to have the superior fan controls and auto tuning features if I were picking a board. The PRO GAMING also offers up some additional expansion options and new design implementations like SAFE SLOT.
I would recommend the STRIX GTX 1070, while I am biased it offers some great features and design elements the Gigabyte does not.
Includes a superior aesthetic design that works with RGB lighting ( 3 zones ) as opposed to GB which has less ( none on the backplate ) and orange as a fixed color
The heastink assembly is also more advanced with more direct contact copper heatpipes adding to overall thermal dissipation ability. You can see in TechPower Ups review the STRIX 1080 offered lower temperatures than the G1 1080. It also performed slightly quieter. Overall best of both worlds. That being noted both are superior to the FE version.
Fan connect built in for direct intake airflow control from the GPU temperature
You can find out more about the overall card design and features in the post I did on the 1080. It is the same card for the 1070 except for the difference in GPU and clock speeds.
Regardless of what you pick best of luck with your build. If you have any questions let me know. If you also have feedback let me know!
Both FreeSync and G-SYNC are great. On the monitor side the MG and PG are very similar in many ways but the PG does carry the advantage of providing a smoother / better experience when you are at the entry of playable frame rates around and belolw 35 FPS. Depending on your GPU and settings this should generally not occur but it is an advantage. Beyond that gaming with a synced technology is a game changer. Keep in mind while not perfect you still also have adaptive sync that is an option when running NV on a FreeSync monitor. This is a nice balance but it is not as smooth especially in regards to frame latency and micro stutter as FreeSync or G-SYNC.
With that noted on the AMD side you will need to get a pretty high end GPU to ensure a consistently strong high 2560x1440 gaming experience. The new RX 480 is grea tbut best suited to 1080 , high refresh rate 1080 and moderate 2560x1440 gaming.
Going with a 1070 will really put in the sweet spot for high-quality 2560x1440 gaming and at very healthy frame rate to sync with the monitor regardless if you use G-SYNC or not. That being noted the higher framerate will allow you to also best realize the value of the higher refresh rate offered by the monitor ( most value if you are a FPS gamer ).
While it is an expensive investment a combination like the STRIX 1070 and PG279Q are a seriously awesome combination.
A word on expectation many users confuse things like IPS glow and backlight bleed. IPS tech by default has a glow to it. Under real world usage, I would not expect you to not be fully satisfied with the experience on the monitor but some users attempt to evaluate panels in odd or unrealistic scenarios. That being noted the monitors sold in the US do currently undergo a validation and sorting process to ensure they meet a minimum level of functionality and performance.
Temperatures look good to me. Kudos on being #TEAMASTRIX. If you want to slightly reduce your GPU temps you could create a custom fan curve and slightly increase the fan duty & ( maybe 5% ). Based on the reported temperature you are ok!
Like all general will it run questions is based on the game and image quality settings. If you are talking about CSGO or TF2 or BF3 yes but if you are talking about The Witcher 3 and GTA V then no. You need to factor which games you are playing and what the acceptable frame rate you want is. Overall I would generally recommend a GTX 1080 class GPU for 3 monitor configurations and depending on the game SLI may be needed.
The AURA is pretty close to the previous Z170 PRO GAMING It is it's replacement. Main changes are further improved fan controls, revised color scheme, RGB lighting, ASUS Safeslot PCIe design, 3D printing support.
If you can get the Z170 PRO GAMING at a lower price it is a great choice. It offers pretty much all the key features I details except for the ones noted above. At the same price though I would of course get the AURA version.
I would check out the new ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING AURA. It's MSRP is 165 but it is an awesome board. You may also want to pair it up with the STRIX 1070. They look awesome together and with a future update will offer RGB lighting syncing between the two. That being noted some of the key areas that would benefit you are the Auto Tuning function and Fan Xpert functionality. I would consider checking out the post I did on this board.
Let me know if you have specific questions. Hope this helps and best of luck with your build.
This is a 990FX chipset motherboard designed for current generation AM3+ CPUs.
More power phases is not always better. This is why ROG boards for years have focused on 8 phase based designs but look at the components used in that design ( inducotors, capacitors, mosfets/power stages ).
As a whole I would not put too much effort into worrying about the differences. Rest assured if you do spend money on ASUS board as you go up you are getting a premium upgrade including the VRM components. An example is the Z170-A compared to the MAXIMUS VIII HERO. THat being noted the -A will offer 90% of users the same overall OC ability. THe HERO shines most when users understand its additional parameters of adjustment within the UEFI and push their systems to a higher sustained level and want every edge in improving overclocking stability. Additionally the higher board investment can also be justified as they may be willing to bin / go through multiple CPUs to find a CPU that can hold high clock speeds.
Many users may want a 6700K o 6600K that runs at 4.5 or 5.6GHz but most CPUs will not do this across all cores.
Z170 has been out for a while and if you want the VRM info you can ask but there have already been detailed.
For ROG going from HERO on up all of the boards use a native 8 phase design and are similar to each other but as you go higher end like the EXTREME it will offer more advanced individual power components like the mosfets/power stages. Different designs are put on different baords for different reasons ultimately before providing more specifics you need to have a clear want / need defined and this I can provide information that best suits your scenarios for usage.
The MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT is purpose built for high-end small form factor builds. It has 2 onboard headers but has an additional 3 headers offered by the included fan extension card. The great thing with this card in a small form factor build is the flexibility in cable routing.
Each header support DC and PWM output control. The PWM output control is also a nice touch for these type of builds as you can enable PWM output on a header and then use a PWM splitter cable if you want. Also, the overall functionality offered in regards to calibration and profiling is great. You can see a video below on the Fan Xpert functionality and a post I did previously on the fan extension card.
Fan Extension card
The board does not offer M.2 but offers U.2 which would allow the use of Intel's 750 SSDs. M.2 was not immediately prioritized at the time due to smaller capacities ( being limited to 512GB ) and also having concerns for thermal throttling which are increased in a small build.
Realistically you would have the best price to performance ratio going with a traditional SATA-based SSD configuration. That would be my recommendation. Beyond that all mini ITX chassis have support for 2.5inch mounting.
If you really want M.2 you can go with the Z170I-PRO GAMING. Overall solid board with M.2 and Fan Xpert as well. It does not offer support for the fan extension card though. It does have 3 headers onboard though ( 1 CPU and 2 CHA )
Based on you reaction to the pricing for another recommendation I think this and a SATA based SSD is a good combination for you and I would not consider M.2
Hope this helps. Best of luck with your build!
I would consider checking out the post I did today on the new Z170 PRO GAMING AURA. It looks like a great fit on your budget and does not compromise on any key aspects you want in a motherboard. It looks great, has awesome features and functions and all the key specifications you could ask for short of Wi-Fi.
I would read through the post. The details on the fan controls which are important in helping to keep a system quiet are something many builders forget.
If you are interested in really keeping the cost down another option is the Z170-E.
From a standpoint of futureproof keep in mind that some of this is tied into what you invest in CPU wise and GPU wise. As a whole, the core specs you will want to be able to upgrade your PC ( PCIe slots, M.2, SATA ports , USB 3.9 ) are pretty much on all Z170 motherboards.
The difference comes in the functionality the board offers and key items that can add value in how you build your system. Hope some of this helps. If you have other questions let me kow.
We have had multiple boards with onboard lighting sub 200. Even the previous the Z170 PRO GAMING was at an aggressive price point for the features and functions it offered including some basic onboard lighting. The inclusion of the RGB on this board is nice but it is really the rest that justifies its pricing. That being noted thanks for the kudos and feedback on the release.
VRM is a general term do you mean something specifically like the individual components? In this respect generally now. In some of the overviews I provide, I do break them down. That being noted for both Z170 and X99 any of the current boards offer a great VRM design that is digital controlled ( for CPU and DRAM ). They will not a limiting factor in your OC ability. The main difference with higher end boards will be their superior heatsink designs which allow the VRM to operate cooler. With that noted higher end boards will also feature more advanced VRM components ( like inductors or power stages ) that offer superior overall efficiency and lower operating temperature. Unless you are going for extremely aggressive overclocks under sustained load this will not generally limit day to day overclocking.
You can check out my post on the new board. It includes links for pictures and additional info.
Yes the M.2 SSD is run from the PCH PCIe lanes.
Awesome! Kudos again on being #TEAMSTRIX
Fan controls are built in they are a combination of hardware, firmware as well as software.
The new Z170 PRO GAMING AURA has not yet been released. Stay tuned. Look wise it is black with light white accents. I think it easily compliments a wide range of different colored themes without issue. Even with white the secondary contrast color works with the black as the white is minimal. Best of luck with your build!
No problem! Glad it helped and best of luck with the build!
I will confirmed but the current production version of the X99-E WS does not have the header. ( FAN EXT header )
All Z170 boards support 2 GPUs and M.2 SSD. More than this will require a board with multiplexing. Yes the Z170-A or Z170-DELUXE would support this configuration.