Old, yes but the FX-4300 is using technology that is very very similar and it was marketed against Core i3 CPUs for the most part because they are/were $70-110 vs the 200 dollar range for i5 series. Cool discussion we're having here tho love this site.
Common thing I believe with non-k Intel CPUs IIRC.
Oh. SUPER different lol. Decent card but about 1/2 a R9 290
Impressive! What RAM speed/timings where you running on the i5 vs the FX?
That is so weird! Do you still have your old R9 290?
I am getting my info from dozens of builds I have built and/or upgraded myself as well as dozens of forum threads, articles and reviews across the web. You're results contradict all of my experience with similar or near identical hardware. I'm not saying that you're not getting better performance now, but you're old setup should have been massively better than your current one for gaming performance in every game I know of.
Also, all R9 290/X cards shoulld have had 4 or 8GB of VRAM not 2GB as you stated. Also, the specifications you listed aren't the whole story. The frequency doesn't matter if they have a tiny memory interface and bandwidth and pixel fill rate which are primarily how the card actually renders frames. R9 290 series cards had 5000MHz VRAM at 512bit interface and resulted in a 320GB/s or better memory bandwidth. Compare that to an RX 460 which is at 7000MHz it is only 128bit interface and has only about 112GB/s bandwidth. Also, even at the factory 1.0GHz R9 290s had more transistors at about 6.2 billion and have a Pixel Fillrate of about 60-70 GPixel/s and Texture Fillrate of about 160+ GTexel/s. An RX 460 does have a higher clockspeed like you said but it only has 3 billion transistors and can only push a Pixel Fillrate of about 19-21 GPixel/s with a Tecture Fillrate of only about 66-70 GTexel/s. Compute performance follows the same trend R9 290 series wins again at about 5.6 Tflops to about 2.2 Tflops.
Here are some links regarding the CPU comparison I dug up:
Pay close attention to game resolutions though because the lower resolutions will be more relevant.
Also, because you said you had both CPUs overclocked I chose the closest CPUs to the overclocked numbers to try to make it more relevant.
I hope this shows a little of where I'm coming from. Also, I'll re-run BF1/BF4 some with an R9 290 and my RX 460 on my overclocked X4 860K to show the difference between the graphics cards with a short little video if I have to.
I think you mean like 2011? The Core i5 moniker of CPUs let alone sandy bridge didn't release until 2009 and 2011 respectively. Also, the R9 290X and the i5 2320 are both much more capable than the CPU and GPU you have on this parts list.
However, at 720P you might get away with it working alright because it is less than half the pixel count than on my setup.
You've played BF1 with less!? I am intrigued. At what Resolution, quality settings, and with what hardware did you play the beta with? I played BF1 well before the beta and during the beta and it was optimized OK before the public launch.
Here is a cool guide from a great overclocking tutorial website, but as of right now Gigabyte is the only major brand that I don't see as ready to do this unlock...oops.
Saw that! Good choice for value
If you're still using the RX 460 I will be VERY surprised if it works well considering I was using an overclocked Athlon X4 860K (essentially a 4.5 GHz version of your CPU with about 5-10% better IPC should be roughly equivalent to your FX-4300) and the same GPU (also overclocked about 7-8%).
If I was you I would definitely consider unlocking the shaders on your RX 460 for a decent boost if you are going to keep using it for gaming newer titles if not you will be dissapointed with the results in BF1 compared to your i5/R9 290 setup.
Great build: Love the V21 Case I use it myself and it is quite versatile and a great value IMO.
Cool green/white color scheme idea but where is the 4th RAM dimm?
Some words of caution based on the several builds I have completed and overclocked with various AMD CPUs and played (or attempted to play) Battlefield/modern frostbite engine games with:
I have used CPUs as lowly as a Athlon X4 860K and as fast as a Core i7-5930K with many many CPUs young and old in between to play Battlefield 4 and BF1. Based on my "testing" you will not have a good experience with BF1 without at least a 6 core FX CPU. Also, the RX 460 is just about the minimum card I would use for BF1 even below 1080P resolution but with tweaks can provide decent FPS. It was a mediocre experience with BF1 when I was playing paired with a much stronger Core i5-6500. Would HIGHLY recommend a CPU upgrade to at least an FX 8xx0 before paying a good chunk of change for BF1/BF1 Premium.
Also, be careful with what you see for CPU temps in most software. It is well documented that AMD FX generation CPUs don't use very consistent/accurate thermal sensing technology so you may be seeing 20C+ lower temps than reality. Air cooling can only be at or ABOVE ambient so be careful with that OC especially. It is best to check your ambient room temp by taking a look at either your House thermostat to get a round number near what the temp is or go buy a simple wall thermometer from the Hardware store to see if the sensors are accurate and it will help you see how effective the cooling solution you use is as well.
Good luck continuing the build towards the cool green/white theme! IMO the shroud on the RX 460 would look pretty sweet with green and/or white striping instead of the original orange. Also, you can get more windowed side panels for the Core V21 through Thermaltake's website if you want more windows on your booooox.
Looks amazing for a misc build!
Amazing build again Bill and MNPCtech team!
Seriously, a single fan 212 Evo in ambient (70F or 20C) air cooling a 220W CPU is a tall order. When I ran my system with an FX-8350 at 1.475V vcore and 4.8GHz it ran quite toasty.
It should be mentioned that AMD FX CPUs from the Vishera line are around 60C max Core temp before errors occur IIRC.
Neat-o build tho for sure!
I really like old cases :D +1
I like the case and the build!
The add custom part feature works really well if you copy and past the URL from a big eseller like Newegg or Amazon.com. That's how I would add it to help people out that want to use/find the parts you used in your sexayy system.
A high framerate monitor has its advantages and there are zero current high refresh rate monitors with a UHD or "4K" resolution. Also, OP mentions OP had the monitors before the build. Another thing to consider is 3x1 4K monitors in the games that do support it would not run very well (This is considering a recent video with SLI GTX Titan X pascal GPUs paired with a 6950X CPU that struggled with a 4th monitor (Nvidia surround setup 2x2) See LTT youtube channel and others for more.
Another consideration is most 4K monitors are bigger than average monitors so size on the desk might be something that kept that form happening.
Great build OP. Share/update your glorious battlestation pics when you have your triple G-sync monitor setup pretty please.
My only concern with this immaculate build is that you seemed to use HD120 fans in the parts list but you have SP120 RGB fans installed.
+1 for a great black and white build.
Wow that is a good deal!
Why not a RX 470 or $480 at that price? Superior performance and efficiency...
Otherwise a nice looking build.
Very nice build but do your new system justice with a quality 1440p main monitor! Please, please consider it. Those old LCD panels simply cannot properly represent what that system can do!
Finally someone is using the Bullet line of cases on here! Great, simple build! +1
Awesome build and mod, but what are the thermal pad looking things on near the 8 pin PCIE ports on the 980Ti? Is a heatsink missing there or something or are you maybe covering your serial number?
Nice build guide!
Here is what I would do instead to improve sustained read/writes vs a TLC NAND SSD and lower noise and temperatures: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/7YrCm8
Also, 80+ Gold EVGA PSUs have a great reputation.
Good parts to start with especially for a first build! Make sure you include plans for an SSD later on!
Pics please the people around these parts...
I would say that he may have been going for quality rather than quantity on some of his part choices. Also, the monitor is 4K where you recommended an LG that is completely different form factor, pixel density, etc. If he doesn't want to overclock then the liquid cooler may not go to waste if he does extremely intensive workloads like modeling, encoding, and the like. So, I don't agree with your claims on overpaying on storage and if you are thinking of the cheap MSI GTX 970, the Asus Strix card is superior quality again.
Just speculation and comments, not vilification :D
Nice build! How does the GTX 970 perform with 4K resolutions?
Nice build! Does the subwoofer shake the desk up there?
Sweet looking build!
Watch out overclocking the CPU since you only have a 4+1 power phase and no heatsinks on the VRMs. You should have decent airflow in your case, but if you start adding too much voltage the VRM (going above 1.275V Vcore is where I would be careful) on that particular motherboard is going to be your limiting factor for CPU overclocks (most likely).
Check out more info on overclocking Gigabyte Z97 boards here: http://overclocking.guide/gigabyte-g1-sniper-z97/
Nice build, but I would recommend the FX-8370 instead of the 8350 due to better binning.
No overvolting or overclocking and you should be just fine. I'm trying to say if you DO pump some extra juice through there definitely pay attention to the chipset cooling as well as the CPU.
Some excellent pressure fans for the price are Scythe Grand Flex PWM 120mm fans. They have a huge RPM range so if you choose to overclock in the future you can crank the RPM up for a huge cooling boost or just run them at 600-1200ish RPM to keep the noise way down thanks to the PWM control. In my personal experience they are similar performance to Noctua NF-F12 2000RPM fans at about 1/2 price
Like tiny_voices said you should be able to get away with an AIO cooler, but I would recommend putting either high quality thermal pads or thermal paste on the heatsinks for your chipsets to get those as cool as possible because that will most likely be the thermal weak point of your system given the parts you listed.
Check out Thermal Grizzly for Pads and thermal paste here:
Not quite brilliant but pretty good considering other cases would be a much better value and save the build $40-$60. Definitely consider a downdraft heatsink like a Cooler Master GeminII S524 Ver 2 to make sure the VRMs don't overheat when overvolting a 125W CPU like the FX-8320
Nice build overall, +1
I agree that the AM3+ platform is not the "most upgradeable" platform, but it is cost effective for a multi-use system and @GloopySlime has a bunch of future upgrade options to improve the performance of this system from adding ram, a faster GPU, and SSD storage devices. It is not the most "upgradeable" platform, but it is far from the least.
On another note, those who doubt the Novatech PSU should note that it seems to be a rebadged OCZ unit similar to OCZ Fatal1ty OCZ750FTY and is made by the OEM by High Power (Sirtec) based on their HP-750-G14C platform.
Good looking build and nice parts choices even if they aren't the best price to performance because she sure is perdy.
I am well aware of what temperatures they are reporting, but it is not hard to give benefit of the doubt to the OP or acknowledge you don't know why those temperatures are or are not what they are instead of attacking that person's character and calling them a liar. For instance you could have instead stated something relevant to possibly finding more accurate temperature readings like confirming the CPU temperature in the motherboard UEFI or BIOS or trying other software to confirm the temperature readings rather than throwing unsubstantiated claims against someone else's character.
Given we do not know the OP's ambient air temperature or method for temperature measurement it is easier to say that the OP is not lying and more likely is experiencing software error or something else we don't know about.
Probably not lying on purpose at least in the case of AMD CPUs often don't cooperate with monitoring software very well resulting in impossible temperatures readings. Also, it is winter here in the USA so maybe he has a window open or is in a garage or something and you are making a very broad assumption that he/she is lying.
+1 for used parts and a parts value!
So glad to see a "first build" that isn't like 2 grand which is insane to me.
Great build for the price!
Build looks great and I think I would have definitely stayed with the 2GB version fo the GTX 960 and that could have been spent on an 8 Core CPU instead. I also would have personally gone with a different CPU cooler, but it fits the aesthetic but then again so would have an H60 for about $25 cheaper and that could have doubled the size of your SSD.
+1 for being 15 and building a nice rig anyways
More likely than any name brand PSU IMO. According to the product page on newegg it has these protections:
"Output over voltage protection, Short circuit protection on all outputs"
VS a 600W EVGA PSU which is 10-15 dollars more expensive:
"Over volt/over current protections guard your system from any power disasters. This power supply has passed an array of safety approvals, including UL, CUL, FCC, TUV, and CE."
Here is a short list of good quality cheap PSUs to consider for an upgrade solely for the sake of safety of your PC and those in your household:
Thermaltake Smart series 600W or above
All of the above can be had between 50-65 dollars right now
Great build for the price, but without a PSU upgrade it will have issues and possibly catastrophic failure.
Probably not true that the CPU will not go over 4.2GHz. Based on the website SiliconLottery.com (who's only purpose is binning CPUs to sell at prescribed frequencies) they are seeing that around 72% of 5960X CPUs are able to hit at least 4.5GHz. Even without overclocking the author also mentioned doing video editing, where this CPU's 8 cores and higher L3 cache per core and also the ability to use quad channel memory make it superior to the 4790K.
Watch out on that PSU down the road if you upgrade the GPU with anything near a 300W TDP
Oh and do yourself and pick up an SSD when you can. They are amazing.
Again, I like the parts list a bunch and I think your build will serve you well for a long time. FX-8320 is a great value.
I didn't see the other posts about you not being located in North America where the X99 change would have made financial sense because here in USA it would actually be the same price as your parts. On a different note I think that your Samsung 950 Pro SSD should vastly outperform any SATA SSD if you are fully utilizing it. If it was used as a scratch disk in Adobe Premiere it should make a large performance improvement there, as an example.
Very sexy build and congrats on the family.
Have a great 2016!