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The Build is wonderful, just wonderful? I had a few issues with me forgetting the MB driver but now that I have that i get around 250FPS with dual monitors, I recommend this build, Case can be better, bought it used (Was On a budget) with a dell monitor, fan controller, corsair fans, and heatsink (No Idea on how to set it up. CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Evo)

Upgrades: Asus Z87A to MSI MPower

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  • 64 months ago
  • 7 points

Are you sure you plugged your monitor into the output from the GTX 760? Or are you running it off the connector on the motherboard? If you're doing the last thing, you're using the integrated graphics from the CPU instead of your discrete GPU.

If you are indeed using the correct output (the one from the GTX 760), it sounds like a driver issue. You can get the latest nVidia drivers from their website.

Also, nice parts selection :-) I would probably have gone with two sticks of RAM for dual channel support, but I don't think it makes that much of a difference in practical applications really. +1 from here!

  • 64 months ago
  • 2 points

It looks like, in one of the pictures, that he has a cord running out of the 760. Just thought I would add that.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Seems that way to me too. If it was plugged into the mobo it would be vertical not horizontal.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah - I noticed that too. I just wanted to make sure :-) It could obviously also be a driver issue

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

This may be the problem OP. If you plug your video output to the mobo VGA or DVI or HDMI, it will use the integrated graphics instead of your graphics card. If you plug into the mobo, the computer won't use your GPU.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Intel HD 4600 shouldn't be causing lag on minecraft though. Especially when I can run Borderlands 2 maxed out on it.

  • 64 months ago
  • 2 points

Minecraft is OpenGL and some more Java piled on top of it. The game can be as intensive as BF4 (on medium-ish settings) if you mod it a lot as well.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

That is ture

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Are you sure you're running max settings? Maxed out, my 280X barely keeps above 60 fps.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Everything aside from PhysX since that is Nvidia exclusive.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

On 720p I suppose? No MSAA?

My 280X only pulls easy 60 on vsync on the latest 14.7 beta drivers.

  • 64 months ago
  • 6 points

Yes you definitely have a problem there. My daughter gets Minecraft well over 40fps running off integrated graphics on an AMD a6 I built for her (the smallest system in the house).

As said, you could download latest drivers.. but that wouldnt account for a strong card like a 760 running at those framerates... but its a good start.

I see you have 2 monitors (and fan overkill plus too many stickers), dualies will affect your framerates (minecraft is java based, I'm not sure how well it handles 2 monitors). so lets unplug one monitor and drop down to native resolution of a single monitor and play on that. See what framerate you're getting.

If there's no change, then you have a problem with your system as opposed to your output. Its not one channel ram. 8mb is just fine for anything these days. Its not going to be drivers. You could be running at 1333mhz if you haven't set the dram timing right.

Set the machine to default. Stop any overclock youre doing and stick to default settings. If something in the BIOS or OS has powersave settings, disable it.

Still no change? Lets eliminate both the 760 and its power draw. Remove the 760 and make sure you uninstall the Nvidia drivers and install Intel's latest driver set for your CPU. Play the same games on the embedded graphics. You should see a change. Either it will be lower or higher. If its lower, you could have a problem in your OS, if its higher you may have a defective 760 (I've not ever seen one yet mind you), a power supply that is defective (I havent had a bad thermaltake yet, but some bad corsairs) or something in your OS or BIOS is purposely limiting performance.

Thats just off the top of my head based on what I've encountered. Good luck.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Listen to this man.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

I get around 130 with 1 monitor max but still with a power house of a card, usually get about 300 fps on 12 chunks

  • 64 months ago
  • 3 points

Open task manager while running the game watch your cpu and ram usage while playing. Or, download NZXT CAM from NZXT's website this will allow to monitor your whole system(cpu temp and load, gpu temp and load, motherboard temp and voltage, hdd activity, ram use, network activity, etc). If it is the ram, check in task manager for things running in the background that shouldn't be. You can also watch your cpu temps and load. If you get crazy high cpu temps you may have some air bubbles in your thermal paste. I doubt this is the case it was just a thought. Most likely its a settings or ram issue. I don't think a 760 should struggle at all with minecraft. Definitely make sure those drivers are up-to-date.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah, I'm definitely thinking it has to do w/the ram if it's anything hardware related.

  • 64 months ago
  • 2 points

Yeah, I was playing DayZ Overpoch a while back and it started lagging horribly with me. I had cam running so I alt-tabbed and looked and ram usage was at like 90%. I was like bull... Arma 2 does not use like 7gb of ram lol. Turns out an app called photoframe was doing something weird in the background so I closed it and deleted it(don't use it anyway, came on the pc like 6 yrs ago when i got it) ram usage dropped back to about 3gb and under ingame. No more lag.

  • 61 months ago
  • 1 point

Very nice to hear. And thanks for letting me know as well (For some reason, I just got this message today).

  • 64 months ago
  • 3 points

I have had that exact configuration. What cable are you using to connect to your monitor? I was using VGA Ugh as my cable due to the broken DVI cable, however switching to HDMI boosted my performance dramatically. I would recommend doing this if not already as VGA is prone to electrical interference. Failing that your monitor may be old an may only have a 40 htz refresh rate.

  • 64 months ago
  • 2 points

that's weird. Didnt play minecraft but generally, check graph settings some of them limit the fps. Also try 2x4 ram or update drivers and bios maybe. I don't know, wish you good luck

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Maybe try and install the Nvidia driver for your GPU. Then go fix the settings from there...+1 for the lighting :)

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

^ Try that and god part selection btw. Are you going to be upgrading to 16gb of ram in the future? +1

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

first clean up cables, second the mods might be the problem, make shure there all upto dateand not interfearing with each other

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

and for 100 u should have gone 270x and 4790

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Few notes that would help with performance overall. -Two sticks of 4GB will utilize dual-channel, -Get an aftermarket CPU cooler for your unlocked CPU and z87 board. -proceed to overclock when you get like 5 hours to do testing and playing around. -you stated you reapplied your thermal paste, how much did you use? A hot CPU would show stuttering. -You have a lot of fans, which I think is great, but their directions are very important. Make sure that you have an airflow that is balanced with in and out.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Not to be a know it all, but none of this is your problem. Don't go buying things you don't need and waste your money. Your airflow is fine and I'm sure your thermal paste is fine. MSI has its own utilities for monitoring system temps and changes. You can install and use that if you are curious (you may have tried that already even!)

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

If you note, the start of my reply starts with "Few notes that would help with performance overall."

The things I listed are hardly waste of money considering he already had 95% of the cost. Aftermarket cpu cooler is ~30, but I don't want to be a know it all.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

uninstall windows 8.1 and get windows 7 I had problems with lagg and the cpu freezing up I don't know why I think it's something to do with msi motherboards they have some windows 8 optimisations but after I installed windows 7 no problems at all try it.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Win7 vs Win8 / 8.1 is a myth. The core OS is the same. Some games run a tiny bit better on W7 and some run a tiny bit better on W8. Most run absolutely identical on both. Like I said, I get over 40 fps on a runty A6 on embedded gfx at 1080p, Minecraft maxed on Win 8.1 The OS version isnt your problem.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

here is what i had to do:

if you have a usb wireless mouse, move it around between usb 3.0 and regular 2.0 it is called mouse latency.

give it a try.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

You are definitely going to want to fix up that cable management. it is blocking a lot of airflow from the intake fans in the front.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Can't, sadly this case has no organization features

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Doesnt matter. Cable management wont solve your problem. Its just housekeeping for a case.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

There cold be many problems, if you checked most of the suggestions here is something that you should do: Re-instal java and most drivers. Doesn't solve the problem? Re-intal again. If this didn't work try to re-install Windows. I had lags in minecraft (Not game dev tycoon) so this might help. Good Luck!

Edit: I would also try to take out the TP-Link wirelss card and delete all the software that came with it. It game me problems so that could also be a thing. Also just to make things better for the air-flow:I would flip the PSU, since it isn't on the carpet it should be ok.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Minecraft isn't a very optimized game, but it's starting to use GPU more than CPU. Turn the render distance down, I was having problems like that with my 6950, I turned the render distance from 16 to 12, it fixed the problem.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

I keep it at 12 for correct chunk loading

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Are we discussing vanilla or modded? If the latter, what mods?

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Gpu clock speed may not be at max when running the game.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

-better cable management to have better air flow could also do of the lag, -make sure the cpu cooler is in place, -1 or 2 power cords connect to the graphics card (depending what is has) -you should have gotten 2 ram sticks of 4 gigs to have a better speed if not 2x2 to match 8 gigs so each ram shares the speed & room for each ram without any issues.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Upgrade your open GL usually thats the problem with this.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

How's the keyboard?

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Good for a cheap price

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Does it make a lot of noise? Or is it just silent?

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Its descent, but if u have good headphones, it is fine, plus, my fan controller can control speed/volume of them, I bought 1 really load fan after, not big deal

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Would you prefer a cherry mx blue keyboard or this one? Sorry for the questions..

  • 63 months ago
  • 1 point

Cherry mx is a personal waist of money, my keyboard works perfectly fine plus it's cheap, One of the best investments I've ever made

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

do you have folding at home or einstein at home active? I so, turn it off and try again.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

ok. I was puzzled by some of the reported minecraft settings, so I tried it on 2 of the builds in the house. If you're getting 40 fps on a 760 or R9-270X, something is very wrong. Minecraft 1.7.4 (vanilla - no mods on) 1080p resolution, max sliders on everything. VSYNC off to get max framerate as reported by FRAPS. Creative mode - move high in the air and overlook generated land to make the most load on the cpu/gpu

A6-5600K Dual Core w/Radeon 7540D IGP. 4gb 1866 DRAM, Win8 32bit. OC to 4ghz

44-55 fps

I3 2120 3.3Ghz Dual Core w/650 TI BOOST, 8gb 1600 DRAM, Win7 Ultimate 64bit.

150-178 fps. (no foolin!)

Minecraft is a very low resource dependent game on Java. I'm not even going to bother loading it on the A10-6800K/750TI or the i5-4560/HD7870 ...over 150fps is crazy and demonstrates that Minecraft at 40fps is definately a problem.

Is it locking at 40fps or does it fluctuate and you're reporting 40 as an average? If it's locking, there may be something set in the NVIDIA control panel or the "Geforce Experience" app that is locking the framerate.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Well it ranges from 10 to 80, 40 was average when doing things important

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Dem cable's! I used to have an Antec 900 and I used to love it until I discovered cable management.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Well, Alex; somethings obviously happening there. You have a much more powerful system than my sample i3/650 tiBoost.

I think the only thing you can do is break it down and try to find the place it starts to change its performance.

I'll give you an example. Someone brought a A10-5600K to me which was lagging horribly in games to the point where it froze. It had a HD6670 in hybrid crossfire (dual graphics) with the IGP on the A10(useless configuration btw)

Restore BIOS to default and update BIOS firmware. Still happens. Upgrade Drivers & directX. Still happens. Disable dual graphics - only with 6670. Still happens. Plug in spare HDD with fresh Win7 preinstalled. Still happens. Remove 6670, install new drivers for A10 IGP. Still happens on IGP. Swap DRAM with spares. Still happens. ... so whats left. System Board and Power Supply. Swap power supply. Problem gone.... Reinstall all components as it came to be (except with new p.supp). Test. All OK.

Problem: Corsair 430 power supply.

Its a pain, but thats how you have to do it. If you dont have spare parts, just remove peices until you see a change. That's about all you can do.

Out of curiosity, run an overall performance benchmark. Test your results against ones posted online. Catzilla (free- only does 720P) is one. It will independently test certain functions.. but you should get a result which you can compare to others online and see where your system falls. I see you mentioned getting max 300 fps.. thats more like it. Was that before - on the ASUS build?

  • 64 months ago
  • 0 points

Plus... I didn't notice this before...why did you get rid of the asus mobo and install an MSI?? Its the same chipset. I've always had rock-solid performance from Asus, but I've dealt with 3 MSIs (never again), and only one (the mentioned A6 I built for my young daughter) has ever been good. What framerates were you getting with the Asus? Also, I dont like the fan overkill you have in it.. 7 running off what? the mobo?? Thats a ton of power draw if it is. You don't need that many dude. Seriously. Plug one or 2 fans in only and test your rig.

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

Well long story short, I short circuited my asus and at my local frys they didn't have a good asus mb for cheap also I heard this board was pretty good

  • 64 months ago
  • 0 points

I'd just like to throw it out there that GFX card makes little to no difference playing Mincecraft. It's a Java based game that doesn't utilize GPU power, but rather requires lots of CPU power.

I've played it with an R9 270X and only gotten 40fps and my father has tried with a GTX 760 and only gets 40fps.

A quick google search will show lots of info to back up my point, I can't provide a source as I'm at work and "games are not allowed on this network" - thanks Sophos!

Myles

  • 64 months ago
  • 0 points

What is you and your father's cpu's? the same I am guessing, because the 760 and 270x perform nearly the same as eachother. Because even with a fx-6100,oc'ed to 3.7ghz, I can get a solid 140fps in minecraft with everything maxed out, and highest viewing distance. Only 6gb of 1333mhz ram. So, you two must not have great pc's if you're only getting that.

  • 64 months ago
  • 0 points

I never mentioned my Father's CPU >_>

  • 64 months ago
  • 1 point

I know...I did though, because you said both of you get the same fps on it, and you have nearly identical cards only their counterparts..so you both must have the same cpu. And yes, gpu does make a huge difference in minecraft. I switched from getting less than 50 fps on highest settings on a 8600gt, to getting well over a 120 fps on highest settings, only by swapping the graphics card. So, going by your statement, someone must have hacked my computer and secretly overclocked the crap out of my fx 6100, just as I was swapping out gpu's. Besides that, my cousin has a gtx 650, and an i7 3rd gen. He gets around 20-30 fps maxed. Therefore, you are wrong.

  • 63 months ago
  • 1 point

We have similar CPU's, not the same though. But fair enough - if I'm wrong I'm wrong. :)

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