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July update: I replaced the RAM, twice - some Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200 didn't work about 2133, but the Trident Z are running at rated speeds, albeit they need manually set in the BIOS. Lesson appears to be, as others have found, that Samsung B-die RAM is your best bet, and that a lower CAS latency is more likely to play nicely with Ryzen!

I'll post more photos shortly. I'm really happy with the box - although getting the LED strips to stick is still nearly impossible...

I've been waiting to build this for ages - have had the InWin 901 case for 18 months, and finally got the motherboard a week ago. Building it was - interesting. If you're using a large cooler, as I have, my main advice would be to plug everything you possibly can in first and put the CPU / cooler in last.

Now...RAM. Ryzen's issues with RAM are notorious - and this is no exception. With two sticks in, it freezes reliably before you can do anything in an OS. Windows 10 wouldn't install with both slots in use - but installed ok with one stick. Ubuntu won't install at all, and freezes on trying to run from a USB. I think this is a RAM issue, but it's also been suggested on google it might be an issue with the SSD - I will update as and when I can test. Worth saying it also freezes infrequently every few hours with one stick in.

On the upside, although it's currently almost unusable, the RGB lighting works a treat!

Things I have tried to render it usable: (1) Updating bios (2) Updating SSD firmware (3) Running memtest86 (9 passes, no errors found) (4) Setting the RAM timings to be really slow (5) Interminable fiddling in the bios

Any advice gratefully received...

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  • 35 months ago
  • 2 points

OH GOD. Don't install ur led strips like that. It is killing me. Also, I have a ryzen CPU and no problem so far

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

I tried to use the double-sided sticking tape but it didn't stick to the strips at all. Ended up having to scrape it off the case as the RGB strips merrily fell off it. Phanteks...

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  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

On the RAM, there are options which have been used successfully with this motherboard, e.g. http://www.ebuyer.com/738741-corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-2800mhz-c16-memory-kit-cmk16gx4m2a2800c16 This has been used with the X370GTN here https://in.pcpartpicker.com/b/668Ycf

Then you look at the 3200 equivalent, and wonder if for £10 more that's not a better bet: http://www.ebuyer.com/743022-corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3200mhz-c16-memory-kit-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16

Similarly the Trident Z has got good reviews with Ryzen: http://www.ebuyer.com/772380-g-skill-trident-z-16gb-kit-ddr4-3000mhz-ram-f4-3000c15d-16gtzb But some people have found that's only the case with certain timings / speeds, possibly because some are and some aren't Samsung B-die...

Or this: https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team-group-vulcan-t-force-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-pc4-19200c14-2400mhz-dual-channel-kit-grey-tlgd416g24-my-088-tg.html is used in one of their prebuilt Ryzen options.

I don't think it's straightforward, so any advice gratefully received!

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Between the Corsair 3000 C15 set here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15 ...largely because it's listed as compatible here: http://www.corsair.com/en-ww/landing/ryzen

The 3200 speed set is virtually the same price, but is not listed as compatible: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/p6RFf7/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3200c16

Alternative would be the G.Skill Trident Z set here: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/ZskwrH/gskill-memory-f43000c15d16gtzb It's been used in Ryzen builds successfully e.g.: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/b/Cdmqqs and is a Samsung B-die kit per the list here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/62vp2g/clearing_up_any_samsung_bdie_confusion_eg_on/ Am leaning towards the Trident Z set as anecdotally it's had better results under Ryzen...

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

Is the Trident Z the RGB version? That's what I'm using for the same cpu but I can't get the 3200 mhz kit to go about 2400 mhz without crashing :/ what settings did you give it in your bios?

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

It's not - I quite wanted to run RGB memory on the build, but took fright because there were lots of anecdotal reports of a bug frying the RGB modules, and them then not being RMA-able, e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz0ohspTZ7o

So I went for the 'vanilla' option. At the moment my memory timings are: 14-14-14-21-49 That's letting the motherboard set them automatically but setting the speed at 3000MHz.

I'm sure you will have done, but worth making sure you're running the latest MB bios, esp. with the AGESA 1.0.0.6 updates: http://www.anandtech.com/show/11447/amd-announces-ryzen-agesa-1006-update

What's the CAS latency of your modules? Definitely worth getting lower CAS latencies if you can.

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

Yeah I actually just purchased the CAS 14 (I had 16) kit which should be in today or tomorrow. So fingers crossed I can beat the trend of the RGB version failing with Ryzen. Hopefully getting to actually use Samsung B die will make a different in the quality of the actual sticks

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

Good luck! Would be interested to see your build when it's done.

  • 34 months ago
  • 1 point

Happily overclocking now to 3.8GHz without any issues using the Ryzen Master tool - temperatures running around 60 degrees at rest, though; fans virtually silent still. The Noctua cooler is good news.

  • 35 months ago
  • 0 points

You bought a Biostar...on a brand new platform...

Sure, Ryzen has had memory issues, but even if it didn't you DO NOT buy Biostar and expect no issues, so why buy Biostar on a new platform that has flaws to be worked out?

Otherwise a nice build for the price range. Swap the board for something MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS, or ASRock and your memory issues should improve (unless you just picked the LEAST compatible memory die you could find).

  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

To be honest, Biostar is decent. Their low end mobos are pretty questionable, but their high end boards deserve a chance.

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  • 35 months ago
  • 1 point

As above, the Biostar is the only currently available mini-ITX motherboard, although ASRock: http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/asrock-ryzen-mini-itx-x370-motherboard,news-55785.html and Gigabyte: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/computex-2017-gigabyte-shows-ryzen-mini-itx-motherboard.html have them in the pipeline. So the motherboard currently wasn't a choice except in the sense of "build with this or wait". I didn't want to wait.

Take the point about the graphics card, but I don't tend to play graphics-intensive games where FPS are an issue. It'll be high on the upgrade list when I get to that, but the initial plan was just to build the thing and get it working - so halfway there!

I have returned the RAM and will look at other options. It's not quite as simple as "G.Skill and Corsair good", however - the advice seems to be to pick up Samsung B die single sided single rank modules, but identifying these prior to purchase is tricky. I looked and went the other way - i.e. a cheap DDR4 2400 option in the hope it'd run at tolerable speeds until upgrading. Lesson learned!

Thanks for the tips on the RGB strips - any tips on how actually to stick the wretched things down? The magnets also don't work because the case is aluminium, so can't do that...

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